Peyton v. Tom for MVP

[PatsFanSince74]

A rare article that gives both players their just due and not just Peyton!

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are turning in vintage performances in a vintage year, as they have in so many other seasons. Only this time it feels unique, more unexpected, with each player that much further along in his career.

In the twilights of their careers, Brady and Manning are giving football and their followers career years. No one would be surprised if it resulted in one more postseason matchup, one more chance for these men to cement their legacy as two of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history...

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady in another MVP battle -- Adam Schefter's 10 Spot - ESPN

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I still think it shortchanges Tom in only noting the TD/INT ratio as the sole leg up he has on Manning. QB rating, total QBR, win/loss record, historic productivity of offense, and the head-to-head result are also all in his favor.

There's even the insinuation that Brady's had a worse season than last year due to the higher number of passing yards he had last year.

Put this years ground attack on last years team, or last year's ground attack on this year's team, and the numbers would equalize. He's having as good a season as ever and has the ability (and willingness!) to hand off to the guys scoring the most rushing touchdowns in the league.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Tried sticking to the middle ground which is a appreciated, but didn't really go into too much detail other that 3 stats. I was hoping for more meat and potatoes by comparison.

Thanks for the link.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I still think it shortchanges Tom in only noting the TD/INT ratio as the sole leg up he has on Manning. QB rating, total QBR, win/loss record, historic productivity of offense, and the head-to-head result are also all in his favor.

There's even the insinuation that Brady's had a worse season than last year due to the higher number of passing yards he had last year.

Put this years ground attack on last years team, or last year's ground attack on this year's team, and the numbers would equalize. He's having as good a season as ever and has the ability (and willingness!) to hand off to the guys scoring the most rushing touchdowns in the league.

i hate to be that guy, but W/L record and H2H results are TEAM stats, not QB stats....total offensive production is a function of the entire offense, of which the QB is just a part


i always look at it holistically.......peyton is the more skilled QB......TB is the better football player

 

[wistahpatsfan]

We need to wait until the season is over to compare these guys. Unless they give out the award next week.

 

[Fixit]

... peyton is the more skilled QB ...

Please do elaborate on that one.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Peyton is the more skilled QB

Not on this planet. Look at the wounded duck throws he makes.

Stats show that this year, or any other year, you want Tom over Peyton at QB if the game is played inside, outside, in the heat, in the cold, in the wind, in the calm, in the rain, in the sleet, on grass, on turf, or any other way the game is played.

 

[Jackson 2]

i hate to be that guy, but W/L record and H2H results are TEAM stats, not QB stats....total offensive production is a function of the entire offense, of which the QB is just a part


i always look at it holistically.......peyton is the more skilled QB......TB is the better football player

Yeah, like some others here, I need some clarification on how you've concluded that Manning is the "more skilled QB."

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Not on this planet. Look at the wounded duck throws he makes.

Stats show that this year, or any other year, you want Tom over Peyton at QB if the game is played inside, outside, in the heat, in the cold, in the wind, in the calm, in the rain, in the sleet, on grass, on turf, or any other way the game is played.

As I've pointed out before, back when Manning had a better passer rating than Brady, Brady nevertheless had a higher passer rating in dome games and in games played outdoors. The only reason Manning's passer rating was higher was that everybody plays better indoors than outdoors, and Manning played far more games indoors than Brady did.

 

[Fixit]

Not on this planet. Look at the wounded duck throws he makes.

Stats show that this year, or any other year, you want Tom over Peyton at QB if the game is played inside, outside, in the heat, in the cold, in the wind, in the calm, in the rain, in the sleet, on grass, on turf, or any other way the game is played.

Not in commercials, though.

 

[randomk1]

There should be no discussion right now. Brady shredded the supposedly better D head to head. He is better in every statistical way. Operates a better offense, Von Miller - you know that guy in the running for DPOY.

 

[BradyManny]

Look, Peyton is great, and I don't want to take anything away from the guy. It's honestly great to have him back and be having this discussion, as much as it sickens me that he'll win the award by default unless Brady runs the table and steamrolls two of the best defenses in the league this month.

Having said that, I am not a believer in the Broncos as a team as of yet.

They've played three good teams (NE, HOU, ATL), and not only did they lose to all of them, but in the first 3 quarters of each game, they were outscored a combined 89-32.

I could be wrong, but I think this will catch up to that team at some point.

 

[Deus Irae]

Here's my problem with the entire "Manning for MVP" movement:

1. If it's based on numbers, Brady's the clear winner
2. If it's based on Denver, Tebow guts that argument
3. If it's based on Indianapolis, Luck guts that argument
4. If it's based on opposing defenses, Brady v. Denver/Baltimore guts that argument

Essentially, "Manning for MVP" is relying on the media completely ignoring the underlying facts and sticking with the soap opera aspect of things.

 

[resdubwhite]

I'm surprised Manning is in the conversation. He's definately top 5. But in a conversation with Brady directly.

hmmmmm

 

[sieglo]

i always look at it holistically.......peyton is the more skilled advertisng pitch man......TB is the better football player

FTFY.

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[sieglo]

Essentially, "Manning for MVP" is relying on the media completely ignoring the underlying facts and sticking with the soap opera aspect of things.

But that's what the media is paid to do.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Brady’s incredible effort is even more remarkable if you look at Cold, Hard Football Facts Real Quarterback Rating, which measures all aspects of quarterback play, not just passing.

Brady and the Patriots are No. 1 in Real Quarterback Rating, with 27 total TDs by Brady (24 passing, 3 rushing) and just three total turnovers (3 INTs, 0 fumbles). Every other team has suffered at least eight turnovers out of the QB position this year. The Patriots have suffered three.

That ratio of 9:1 TDs-to-turnovers is the best in any season in NFL history. The Patriots are also on pace to score 592 points, which would be the most in NFL history.

In a sport in which winning the turnover battle typically means winning the game, Brady gives the Patriots an advantage every single Sunday.

So we have a record performance in turnovers this year, while leading a team that might set a record for points scored. If that doesn’t make you an MVP, we’re not sure what does.

Turnovers and the case for Tom Brady as MVP

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

Here's my problem with the entire "Manning for MVP" movement:

1. If it's based on numbers, Brady's the clear winner
2. If it's based on Denver, Tebow guts that argument
3. If it's based on Indianapolis, Luck guts that argument
4. If it's based on opposing defenses, Brady v. Denver/Baltimore guts that argument

Essentially, "Manning for MVP" is relying on the media completely ignoring the underlying facts and sticking with the soap opera aspect of things.

But if you base it on comparing Brady's season to his own MVP seasons and Manning's season to his own MVP seasons Manning is the clear winner!

 

[CityOfChampions]

I think it should be more in Brady's favor than everyone on sports networks are making it out to be (but I'm glad people are finally at least mentioning Brady). He leads the #1 offense in the NFL who averages the most points per game in history with injured receivers all season. Gronk, Hernandez, and Edelman missing games, Welker and Lloyd beat up during games. Peyton has 26 passing TD's, 0 rushing TD's, Broncos running backs have 6 rushing TD's. Brady has 24 passing TD's, 3 rushing TD's, Patriots running backs have 18(!) rushing TD's. Brady 3 interceptions, Manning 8 interceptions. People talk about how easy the AFC East is? AFC West is just as bad. The only thing that is giving people reason to vote for Manning over Brady is bc he just came back from injury which is lame - there's a separate award for that. Plus Manning has got to face the Patriots and the Saints defense this season, imagine if Brady got to face them! Lol. Broncos have the 4th defense in the NFL, Patriots 27th.

 

[Uncle Rico]

But if you base it on comparing Brady's season to his own MVP seasons and Manning's season to his own MVP seasons Manning is the clear winner!

Yeah, kind of an odd take by Schefter. I know he was trying to tie the current battle to years past, but the MVP is about what happens this year.