Stud WR Won't Fix Anything (Remember 2007?)

[JFK]

What do you think the difference is if we line up Deion Branch (or whoever) and send him deep vs Torry Smith. What do you think a defense does?

Probably double team Smith or PI cos he is deadly when going deep. A variety of things can happen.

 

[Claremonster]

The Patriots in 2007 had the most prolific deep threat in NFL history in Randy Moss, who broke the all team record for regular season TD's.

That did not stop the Pats from struggling in multiple games in the playoffs that year, including the Superbowl.

Multiple posters here have noted that in the last 7 years the Patriot offense has lost big playoff games in which the offense has put up 17 or fewer points, especially by getting shut out in the 2nd half or in the 4th quarter of games.

The solution to this is not throwing money at a stud wide out. At best it would just be 2007 all over again, and will not address the original core problem(s) that result in offensive choke jobs.

The solution is looking at something a poster pointed out about Game Preparation Theory, in which playoff teams catch up to the K-Gun Patriots after more comprehensive playoff scouting.

The Patriots need to scout themselves especially on offense, in order to understand how to beat teams that make various 2nd half adjustments on them. It is NOT a talent issue, it is a play calling issue. In 2001 the Patriots had terrible receivers, but called the right play to secure the key 3rd down or make the key catch to advance a game-winning drive.

2007 isn't 2013 son...

 

[Claremonster]

A healthy Gronk fixes the problems we saw Sunday. A big bodied and athletic WR that runs all the routes and threatens every level of the field to go along with Gronk and Welker puts us over the top and makes this offense damn near unstoppable.

Awesome! Guess what games Gronk missed? Any important ones? Yeah, exactly!!!!

If/when he IS injured, a deep threat compensates for him not being there.

 

[Claremonster]

Do you think Moss did all that much more than what Gronk did this year before he got injured? If Gronk wasn't injured, he was on pace for a 1,264 yard and 18 TD season even after a slow start. Moss had 1493 yard and 23 TD season. Not a huge difference.

How about not choosing either/or and get BOTH!!!! Think about it.

Why would you want to limit yourself in a chess game?

Not a 2nd round Bethel Johnson. I mean a legit 1st for once.

 

[jnug]

There is simply no comparing the 2001 Pats to this year's Pats. If anything, this year's Ravens looked more like the 2001 Pats than this years Pats did.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

The Patriots in 2007 had the most prolific deep threat in NFL history in Randy Moss, who broke the all team record for regular season TD's.

That did not stop the Pats from struggling in multiple games in the playoffs that year, including the Superbowl.

Multiple posters here have noted that in the last 7 years the Patriot offense has lost big playoff games in which the offense has put up 17 or fewer points, especially by getting shut out in the 2nd half or in the 4th quarter of games.

The solution to this is not throwing money at a stud wide out. At best it would just be 2007 all over again, and will not address the original core problem(s) that result in offensive choke jobs.

The solution is looking at something a poster pointed out about Game Preparation Theory, in which playoff teams catch up to the K-Gun Patriots after more comprehensive playoff scouting.

The Patriots need to scout themselves especially on offense, in order to understand how to beat teams that make various 2nd half adjustments on them. It is NOT a talent issue, it is a play calling issue. In 2001 the Patriots had terrible receivers, but called the right play to secure the key 3rd down or make the key catch to advance a game-winning drive.

We didn't have good Tight Ends in 2007.

Randy Moss disappeared in the playoffs.

 

[Observer]

No, but an offensive line that can run for 2 yards when it needs to will. Lets fix what actually needs to be fixed.

 

[Bhelmet]

We don't necessarily need a STUD. We do need someone who can do enough to help open others up. We need someone who at least garners respect and hopefully requires Safety help. It would be nice having someone open in that part of the field, but it does not mean we need to overspend for someone. That WR also needs to understand he will not be the focus of the O. Hopefully, the team finds someone like that.

 

[moejr]

Moss disappeared because McDaniels kept calling the long bomb to him and the D played him double triple coverage all night. We were predictable and the Giants took advantage.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Moss disappeared because McDaniels kept calling the long bomb to him and the D played him double triple coverage all night. We were predictable and the Giants took advantage.

Similarly, the Patriots' recent losses are because once a team stops the offense from passing in the middle 20 yards of the field, the team gets stopped especially in the red zone. Sure the team could use a better outside WR but every single team has certain flaws, the difference is adapting instead of sticking to the same thing that may have gotten you there but is being stopped in a playoff game.

 

[tonyto3690]

Having a stud WR won't do anything. It's not about stretching the field. It's not about scoring 50 points a game in the playoffs. It's about having a defense that doesn't get scorched in the secondary and can generate a push at the LOS and having an offense that can simply control the clock and move the chains. We saw that against the Texans. Against the Ravens without Talib/Chandler we were completely sunk. We're close, but need to keep treking forward.

Adding a stud WR won't do anything in that regard. Gronkowski is a stud receiver that we sorely missed in the red area that will be back. We won SBs not because we had a top 3 offense of all time, we won SBs because we had an efficient offense that didn't turn the ball over, a strong special teams that was always an advantage and our defense could stop the run and the pass effectively.

On paper, having a Larry Fitzgerald of course makes our talent much better. But in the salary cap era, it's not realistic to add him and not simultaneously detract from our defense. You can't have both. I'd rather have a mediocre #2 WR and a very good pass rushing DT than a big name, overpaid, wideout.

 

[tonyto3690]

How about not choosing either/or and get BOTH!!!! Think about it.

Why would you want to limit yourself in a chess game?

Not a 2nd round Bethel Johnson. I mean a legit 1st for once.

Because it's a complete waste of materials and will do nothing but make our defense even worse. Having the GOAT offense doesn't mean anything if your defense can't stop anyone.

All that firepower on the Patriots offense in 2011 sure did us a whole lot of good on the sidelines as Eli drove 80 yards for a game winning TD in the Superbowl.

 

[Claremonster]

The Patriots in 2007 had the most prolific deep threat in NFL history in Randy Moss, who broke the all team record for regular season TD's.

That did not stop the Pats from struggling in multiple games in the playoffs that year, including the Superbowl.

Multiple posters here have noted that in the last 7 years the Patriot offense has lost big playoff games in which the offense has put up 17 or fewer points, especially by getting shut out in the 2nd half or in the 4th quarter of games.

The solution to this is not throwing money at a stud wide out. At best it would just be 2007 all over again, and will not address the original core problem(s) that result in offensive choke jobs.

The solution is looking at something a poster pointed out about Game Preparation Theory, in which playoff teams catch up to the K-Gun Patriots after more comprehensive playoff scouting.

The Patriots need to scout themselves especially on offense, in order to understand how to beat teams that make various 2nd half adjustments on them. It is NOT a talent issue, it is a play calling issue. In 2001 the Patriots had terrible receivers, but called the right play to secure the key 3rd down or make the key catch to advance a game-winning drive.

Yeah, BB should hamstring his team from having a deep threat. Great idea.

Terrible thread.

 

[tonyto3690]

Yeah, BB should hamstring his team from having a deep threat. Great idea.

Terrible thread.

Sorry buddy, this isn't Madden. You can't give big contracts to every player you want. Go root for the Jets and Raiders if that's how you think a team should be run. We had the #3 scoring offense of all time. Adding more resources to our offense is a complete waste. We just need to stay healthy there we already have enough talent. On defense we simply do not have enough talent and desperately need more resources invested there.


EDIT:
I'm sure if another Randy Moss type moment came up where Belichick had the opportunity to trade a 4th round pick for Andre Johnson and AJ takes a paycut, Belichick would do that. Having a deep threat would help this team, having a superstar WR would help this team. The point is that this is not a video game where you can just willy-nilly add anyone you want to the team with no reprecussions. You have to manage the cap and spending 10-14 million on a WR is a complete waste of resources in concordance with what our needs are.

 

[Claremonster]

Because it's a complete waste of materials and will do nothing but make our defense even worse. Having the GOAT offense doesn't mean anything if your defense can't stop anyone.

All that firepower on the Patriots offense in 2011 sure did us a whole lot of good on the sidelines as Eli drove 80 yards for a game winning TD in the Superbowl.

You need both sides addressed. Not just one. And yes, you do need to get a deep threat to make the opposing defenses not just focused on all 7 of the tight ends.

 

[Claremonster]

Sorry buddy, this isn't Madden. You can't give big contracts to every player you want. Go root for the Jets and Raiders if that's how you think a team should be run. We had the #3 scoring offense of all time. Adding more resources to our offense is a complete waste. We just need to stay healthy there we already have enough talent. On defense we simply do not have enough talent and desperately need more resources invested there.


EDIT:
I'm sure if another Randy Moss type moment came up where Belichick had the opportunity to trade a 4th round pick for Andre Johnson and AJ takes a paycut, Belichick would do that. Having a deep threat would help this team, having a superstar WR would help this team. The point is that this is not a video game where you can just willy-nilly add anyone you want to the team with no reprecussions. You have to manage the cap and spending 10-14 million on a WR is a complete waste of resources in concordance with what our needs are.

Draft one dumbass...ever heard of a rookie contract?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Moss disappeared because McDaniels kept calling the long bomb to him and the D played him double triple coverage all night. We were predictable and the Giants took advantage.

Splurging on a stud WR won't fix this problem. The problem is that come playoff time, opposing teams take away the Patriots' favorite thing to do after extensive scouting (basically pulling a reverse Belichick on the Patriots), and the offense doesn't adjust. That's why the last half dozen playoff losses the team struggles to get even 17 points despite leading the league in points scored.

 

[Kontradiction]

Awesome! Guess what games Gronk missed? Any important ones? Yeah, exactly!!!!

If/when he IS injured, a deep threat compensates for him not being there.

I want a big bodied and athletic receiver that can threaten EVERY level of the field and isn't afraid to go over the middle. A Demaryius Thomas type is preferable. A guy like that stretches the field, makes the tough catches, and helps the red zone offense when a guy like Gronk is out.

 

[tonyto3690]

Draft one dumbass...ever heard of a rookie contract?

Oh right, brilliant. Why didn't I think of that. We can just scoop up AJ Green or Larry Fitzgerald at #29 in the draft this spring.

Meanwhile since defensive players are apparently playing for free, we can pick up Melton for peanuts, because it's not like we should invest our draft picks in real positions of need. No, we should spend them on mythical #1 players that don't exist where we draft.

Better yet, lets trade 3 future #1 picks so we can get into the top 5 and hope we get lucky and don't draft a bust of a franchise wide out that only come out maybe once every five drafts besides flukes when Green/Jones did.

 

[Kontradiction]

Oh right, brilliant. Why didn't I think of that. We can just scoop up AJ Green or Larry Fitzgerald at #29 in the draft this spring.

Meanwhile since defensive players are apparently playing for free, we can pick up Melton for peanuts, because it's not like we should invest our draft picks in real positions of need. No, we should spend them on mythical #1 players that don't exist where we draft.

Better yet, lets trade 3 future #1 picks so we can get into the top 5 and hope we get lucky and don't draft a bust of a franchise wide out that only come out maybe once every five drafts besides flukes when Green/Jones did.

There should be a good amount of quality receivers left in the second and third rounds.