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Scanning the lists quickly. it all looks pretty good. Based on the current slotting the Patriots would have to try to screw things up.
 
1.1- #23 trade to Detroit for 33, 65 and our #89 (we lose 75 points)

33. Clint Sintim IMO has the ability to play both ILB ond OLB

#47 Jarron Gilbert I think this is Seymours last year with the team

#58 William Moore, will play SS

#65 Jairus Byrd, Similar to Merriweather

#97 (Comp) Xavier Fulton, Athletic LT that needs lots of coaching, raw
but Light is only signed thru this year

#124 Dorell Scott trade up using #192 to move up to 121
Similar to Mike Wright, in that he can play some nose and DE

#158 Worrell Williams, A two down thumper to split time with Guyton.

#167 (Comp) Joe Burnett, Hobbs Kory Sheets
#167 (Comp) Darius Passmore
#230 Kory Sheets
 
I should have spent more time on this but this is my ten minute draft.

I don't want to draft another CB. I think we address that via FA or trade. Same goes for OLB. Of course I don't know who r how so my logic is probably flawed here. Ah well. Here goes

23: Eben Britton.
47: Jarron Gilbert
58: Juaqiun Iglesias
89: Nic Harris
97: Rashaad Johnson
124: Bear Pascoe
136:Cornelius Lewis
158: Ken Huber
167: Curtis Painter
192: Davin Drew
230: Ian Johnson

Now the more I look at this draft the more I dislike it..... Hmm. Back to the drawing board.
 
Hood is not a 5-technique DE, he is a 3-technique DT.

And BJ Raji isn't a 3-4 nose tackle....and Aaron Curry isn't a 3-4 linebacker.....and Connor Barwin isn't a 3-4 OLB....
 
And BJ Raji isn't a 3-4 nose tackle....and Aaron Curry isn't a 3-4 linebacker.....and Connor Barwin isn't a 3-4 OLB....

And Pierce Bronson isn't a singer. My wife made me watch Manna Mia on DVD.:cry2:
 
And Pierce Bronson isn't a singer. My wife made me watch Manna Mia on DVD.:cry2:

I was dragged to the play, it was kind of fun (****tails before helps). Watched 30 seconds of the movie and had to fake an injury. It was brutal.
 
And BJ Raji isn't a 3-4 nose tackle....and Aaron Curry isn't a 3-4 linebacker.....and Connor Barwin isn't a 3-4 OLB....

Although I disagree on Raji, who has the size and strength to handle the NT spot in a 3-4, I get your point. There is some projection involved in the draft process. But in my eyes Hood doesn't fit because he's not stout at the point, he has good lateral quickness but is simply not strong enough to handle the DE spot in a 3-4. He can be a spot starter and rusher like J.Green but probably couldn't handle a starting assignment for the Pats scheme. Don't get me wrong though, he is a very good player. He's just not a fit for the scheme.
 
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Round 1- #23 James Laurinaitis, LB, OSU- Smarter player than Gholston and should contribute immediately working with Mayo. Vrabel can help Laurinaitis throughout the year.
Round 2- #47 Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut- No reason to spend a first round pick on a corner, the Pats have Wheatley, Wilhite, and now Butler to develop while signing a veteran like McAlister for a couple seasons.
Round 2- #58 William Moore, FS, Missouri- Hard to see Moore slipping this far, but if he does the Patriots jump on him, tall at 6'0 and can make plays
Round 3- #89 Alex Magee, DT, Purdue- Wilfork and Wright should remain the top two on the depth chart, but if one of them were to leave for one reason or another than the Patriots need to have a big, quick presence in the middle.
Round 3- #97 Andre Caldwell, C, Alabama- Koppen has consistently played solid, but it is hard to not notice how quickly and easily lineman are pushing him back off the line, often disrupting rushing and passing plays.
Round 4- #124 Tyronne Green, OG, Auburn- Projects to play on the right side of the line in the pros, and Stephen Neal has been injured often, while not playing consistently at the level he was only a couple of years ago. Green joins Caldwell as SEC additions to the line, with both strong, smart, and quick off the line.
Round 4- #136 Lawrence Sidbury, DE, Richmond- Never can have too much depth on the d-line, especially with the number of injuries the Pats' D-line has had in recent seasons, Sidbury was key to the Richmond Championship run.
Round 5- #158 Ryan Purvis, TE, Boston College- Steal of the draft, Purvis showed what he could do with Matt Ryan under center, his numbers declined this year due to the inconsistency behind center for BC, but with a QB like Brady throwing to him he will excel. He is a solid blocker as well, with nice size and speed.
Round 5- #167 Quan Cosby, WR, Texas- Best player available with the pick here, as no player jumps out with higher value at pick 167 than Cosby, who tore apart Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl, very Wes Welker like with great hands and great speed.
Round 6- #192 Garrett Reynolds, OT, North Carolina- The RT position is in somewhat question with the ongoing inconsistency of Kaczur, and O'Callaghan has yet to show he is something special, Reynolds stands at 6-8 and could prove to be a very solid pass blocker for years.
Round 7- #230 P.J. Hill, RB, Wisconsin- When healthy, he has proven to be a workhorse and could eventually replace Faulk (when he retires) as the 3rd down back.

Let me know what you think.
 
Round 7- #230 P.J. Hill, RB, Wisconsin- When healthy, he has proven to be a workhorse and could eventually replace Faulk (when he retires) as the 3rd down back.

Let me know what you think.

Isn't PJ Hill 230+ lbs and slow? Hard to see him as Faulk-like.
 
Isn't PJ Hill 230+ lbs and slow? Hard to see him as Faulk-like.

P.J. Hill's 40 Time: 4.60
Kevin Faulk's 40 Time: 4.57

Definitely some difference, but Hill has had minor surgeries down on his left leg and shoulder in years past, so when he has finally been healthy he has produced through running and catching the ball out of the backfield. The 40 times listed above are their times listed heading into the combine, pretty similar and body builds are alike as well.
 
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P.J. Hill's 40 Time: 4.60
Kevin Faulk's 40 Time: 4.57

Definitely some difference, but Hill has had minor surgeries down on his left leg and shoulder in years past, so when he has finally been healthy he has produced through running and catching the ball out of the backfield. The 40 times listed above are their times listed heading into the combine, pretty similar and body builds are alike as well.

Really? I'm a tall white guy who ran in the mid 4.6s back in the day...I can't imagine Faulk's 40 time coming out of LSU was 4.57...was he running in an ankle boot or something? Did he stumble? At any rate, that's definitely not indicative of his football speed.

PJ Hill, whom I do think is slightly underrated, plays at every fraction of that 4.6. I'm OK if you want to use a seventh round pick on him - he's been a productive player at Whisky, but I think he's a lot more Heath Evans than Kevin Faulk.

It's also worth noting that the Badgers tend to have dominating O-lines, which make their slow backs, and even their fast one, look better than they are. They tend to be busts (Michael Bennett, Ron Dayne, Brian Calhoun, Terrell Fletcher). I think the best was probably Aaron Stecker...and I don't think he was drafted.
 
Really? I'm a tall white guy who ran in the mid 4.6s back in the day...I can't imagine Faulk's 40 time coming out of LSU was 4.57...was he running in an ankle boot or something? Did he stumble? At any rate, that's definitely not indicative of his football speed.

PJ Hill, whom I do think is slightly underrated, plays at every fraction of that 4.6. I'm OK if you want to use a seventh round pick on him - he's been a productive player at Whisky, but I think he's a lot more Heath Evans than Kevin Faulk.

It's also worth noting that the Badgers tend to have dominating O-lines, which make their slow backs, and even their fast one, look better than they are. They tend to be busts (Michael Bennett, Ron Dayne, Brian Calhoun, Terrell Fletcher). I think the best was probably Aaron Stecker...and I don't think he was drafted.

Absolutely, the 40 time is no way to evaluate a player, as I said in the Crosby thread, Wes Welker was timed at a 4.6 in college as well, and has shown the limited value in the time. This link Kevin Faulk | LSU, RB : 1999 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile offers the 1999 draft profile of Faulk and lists his final 40 time at 4.57, no high or low are offered as this is the lone time they had for him. So I do understand the disbelief in Faulk's time, but it just shows things do change, which is why I think Hill will be a solid contributor at the pro level.

I agree with the notion Hill plays around the 4.6 level, but the pro factories will certainly help him and the way he hits the hole reminds me of Faulk, as he moves very quickly off the snap for being 236 pounds. Hill certainly will need to lose some weight, but had a 5.11 yard per carry average at Wisconsin. Besides Joe Thomas, their line recently has not been too notable compared to the rest of the Big 10 lines, or even the Wisconsin lines of the late 1990s and early 2000s. Michael Bennett has just never found the opportunity, as every chance he has had on the field he has showed a burst of speed, but yet still fails to catch on somewhere, which surprises me.

I agree with the idea that Hill could be an Evans, but I think with everything considered it would be more appropriate to attempt to mold Hill into a Faulk-like role.
 
Round 1- #23 James Laurinaitis,
Round 2- #47 Darius Butler
Round 2- #58 William Moore
Round 3- #89 Alex Magee
Round 3- #97 Andre Caldwell
Round 4- #124 Tyronne Green
Round 4- #136 Lawrence Sidbury
Round 5- #158 Ryan Purvis
Round 5- #167 Quan Cosby
Round 6- #192 Garrett Reynolds
Round 7- #230 P.J. Hill

Let me know what you think.
Since you ask:

#23 James Laurinaitis - bad fit for NE's 3-4.
#47 Darius Butler - Okay.
#58 William Moore - Inconsistent is usually a bad fit in NE.
#89 Alex Magee - I think he goes higher, but a good choice for 3-4 DE.
#97 Andre Caldwell - I think he goes a little higher too, but another sound choice.
#124 Tyronne Green - I've seen his stock rising on one draftnik list, which may mean others will be following, but a very good choice.
#136 Lawrence Sidbury - Good value here.
#158 Ryan Purvis - I'd take him sooner, but he's my favorite TE in this draft.
#167 Quan Cosby - This would be a steal.
#192 Garrett Reynolds - Not the tackle profile I look for in a Scarnecchia OT.
#230 P.J. Hill - okay.
 
#23 James Laurinaitis - Laurinaitis would appear to be a bad fit in the Pats system, but look at Vrabel came out as a MLB, but has thrived beyond all thoughts in the system, and I think Laurinaitis would bring a younger version of him. He can tackle in the open field and is smart.
#47 Darius Butler
#58 William Moore - He may have been inconsistent, but he can be a play maker that needs further developing, as Missouri is nowhere near a defensive powerhouse.
#89 Alex Magee - Just went off of the rankings, but I agree he should be gone by 89.
#97 Andre Caldwell - Again rankings, but the injury could make him slip.
#124 Tyronne Green
#136 Lawrence Sidbury
#158 Ryan Purvis - Would take him sooner certainly, but went off of rankings
#167 Quan Cosby -
#192 Garrett Reynolds - Size and speed are intangibles and he is supposedly very smart. That all adds up to versatility which the Pats usually like.
#230 P.J. Hill -
 
#23 James Laurinaitis - Laurinaitis would appear to be a bad fit in the Pats system, but look at Vrabel came out as a MLB, but has thrived beyond all thoughts in the system, and I think Laurinaitis would bring a younger version of him. He can tackle in the open field and is smart.

:confused: What substances are you ingesting? Vrabel came out of Ohio State as a DE, and took several years to develop and convert to LB. Whateer his talents may be, Laurinaitis bears no resemblance to Vrabel whatsoever.
 
Absolutely, the 40 time is no way to evaluate a player, as I said in the Crosby thread, Wes Welker was timed at a 4.6 in college as well, and has shown the limited value in the time. This link Kevin Faulk*|*LSU,*RB*:*1999 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile offers the 1999 draft profile of Faulk and lists his final 40 time at 4.57, no high or low are offered as this is the lone time they had for him. So I do understand the disbelief in Faulk's time, but it just shows things do change, which is why I think Hill will be a solid contributor at the pro level.

I agree with the notion Hill plays around the 4.6 level, but the pro factories will certainly help him and the way he hits the hole reminds me of Faulk, as he moves very quickly off the snap for being 236 pounds. Hill certainly will need to lose some weight, but had a 5.11 yard per carry average at Wisconsin. Besides Joe Thomas, their line recently has not been too notable compared to the rest of the Big 10 lines, or even the Wisconsin lines of the late 1990s and early 2000s. Michael Bennett has just never found the opportunity, as every chance he has had on the field he has showed a burst of speed, but yet still fails to catch on somewhere, which surprises me.

I agree with the idea that Hill could be an Evans, but I think with everything considered it would be more appropriate to attempt to mold Hill into a Faulk-like role.


Mold Hill into Faulk....I could see considering molding Hill into a LenDale White type player but Kevin Faulk. Sorry I don't see it at all.

These are the players in this draft that have 3rd down back capability because the skills they demonstrated in college indicate they could possibly fill that role:

Jeremiah Johnson, Oregon (5-9, 208)
Mike Goodson, Texas A&M (6-0, 198)
Devin Moore, Wyoming (5-9, 191)
Kory Sheets, Purdue (5-11, 203)
Keegan Herring, Arizona State (5-10, 195)
Bernard Scott, Abilene Christian (5-11, 195)
Marcus Thigpen, Indiana (5-8, 198)

There's a good change Hill doesn't get drafted.
 
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With the recently updated rankings, here's another pre-Combine mock while I'm feeling a little giddy with Yates release.

23 - Jarron Gilbert: I expect him to continue his rise up the boards and will be helped by the Combine. There are some good DL in 2010, but this kid is the real deal and he's here now.

47 - I really want another late 1st/early second out of the Cassel trade. Barwin is my binky, but I've got to go with Juaquin Iglesias to replace Gaffney.

58 - Eric Woods: Hochstein is gone. Yates is gone. Neal is UFA after the season. This kid was wrestling with Raji and winning during the Senior Bowl game, he'll also push Koppen.

89 - Chip Vaughn: Nice big, playmaking Safety.

97 - Keenan Lewis: Big CB for FS.

124 - Christopher Owens: Pretty good CB for this deep in the draft.

136 - Augustus Parrish: He has the nasty attitude, and while he will struggle with speed off the edge, he has the tools to play four positions on the OL.

158 - Ryan Purvis: Glue fingered TE who can and will block.

167 - Keith Fitzhugh: One more big S for the mix.

192 - Lee Robinson: A second Gary Guyton-type LB.

230 - Lydon Murtha: Decent OT for this late in the draft.

Priority UDFA:
Lardarius Webb - playmaking small school CB
Thomas Morstead - Good Punter, over 50 punts downed inside the 20 in 4 years
Seth Olsen - Solid C/G
Robert Brewster - Solid T/G
Terrance Knighton - NT/DE candidate
Robert Francois - ILB prospect
Ian Johnson - 3rd down RB/KR/PR
Ryan Stanchek - Solid T/G
D.J. Boldin - Maybe Little Bro can duplicate the success at WR
Jason Boltus - Camp fodder QB with some potential
Chris Miller - If Morstead gets away grab this P
Zach Potter - Another Nebraska DE for Pepper
Stephen Hodge - Rodney Jr.
Colt Anderson - Solid FS
Ryan Mouton - Speedy and tough CB/FS/PR/KR/WR
Stanley Arnoux - ILB prospect
Jason Chery - WR/KR
Todd Boeckman - Camp fodder QB
Dan Skuta - ILB prospect
DeAngelo Willingham - Big, physical CB for S
Frank Summers - FB with good hands
Dobson Collins - Good deep threat, small school WR prospect
Dominick Goodman - Could be another D-Giv
Brit Miller - ILB prospect
 
Hey Box. Do you think we consider Eben Britton - T - Arizona if he's on the board
at 23? Seems like a great kid with talent. Mayock really likes the Wood kid from Louisville. But, would it give us more flexibility to have a T Britton and then slide Kaczur inside to
replace S.Neal.
 
Hey Box. Do you think we consider Eben Britton - T - Arizona if he's on the board
at 23? Seems like a great kid with talent. Mayock really likes the Wood kid from Louisville. But, would it give us more flexibility to have a T Britton and then slide Kaczur inside to
replace S.Neal.

Not addressed to me, but absolutely yes. I think he's a likely target there.
 
Well, it's about time! My pre-Combine picks (I dread pre-Combine selections), as all of the info gathered at the market is valuable (if properly applied). From the interviews and position drills, to some timed events, the info represents a final stage in the evaluation process. That said, what follows are some of my favorite prospects (not all), while some have left me hand-tied while remaining true to the thread's guideline's:

1- #23 Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest - I rank him as a late first, so going this early isn't too unreasonable. In addition, my #1 team need going into the draft is to add playmakers to the secondary. And with Smith arguably having the best ball skills and playmaking ability among all the CBs, this pick makes sense. There are other playmakers available later on -- but none on his level. His 21 career picks were no luck, as he added 3 more during Senior Bowl practices. The plan with Alphonso is for him to compete with a healthy Wheatley for the starting LCB position. Loser will be the first one in on all sub-packages. He's NFL-ready now to cover slot receivers, we'll see if he can beat out a very talented TW.

2- #47 Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State - It's time to maintain the strength of the DL. Youtube aside, this player has tremendous potential as a 3-4 end.

2- #58 Eric Wood C Louisville - one of the several centers in this draft who could make the transition to guard. Wood was highly impressive at RG during Senior Bowl week, which translates nicely to a Koppen upgrade and Neal insurance pick. One of my favorite prospects.

3- #89 Chip Vaughn SS Wake Forest - two prospects from the same secondary/school is highly unusual, but Vaughn offers size and in-the-box skills that may prove valuable in the Pats D. Meriweather is a versatile player who could handle deep coverage responsibilities if Vaughn develops. Strong vs Free, Left vs Right, One vs Two -- whatever -- just upgrade the position.

3- #97 Jonathan Casillas OLB Wisconsin - will wait on his Combine numbers to see if he's healed from surgery. A fast, athletic, productive player who could transition to SS. Envision his coverage ability vs RBs and TEs as a sideline-to-sideline player. Will excel on ST while he learns (a position).

4- #124 Lawrence Sidbury DE Richmond - already has a strong array of pass rush moves. Impressive wingspan. Needs work at the POA vs the run -- but that's why he's a developmental prospect. Add him to the Pats current group and see who develops first. All edge rushers need time -- even the early picks.

4- #136 Kenny McKinley WR South Carolina - a highly productive and consistent receiver. Ignore the Spurrier connection. Knows how to run routes vs top competition -- which will be refreshing for a Pats rookie.

5- #158 Augustus Parrish OT Kent State - there's still a Kent St connection. Versatile, could project to OG also.

5- #167 Joe Burnett CB UCF 5-10 - yes, I'm doubling up on the Pats secondary. Burnett has exc ball skills as another playmaker. Speed may be an issue...we'll know soon. Same school as Asante -- with similar production.

6- #192 Lee Robinson OLB Alcorn State - my first official sleeper for the Pats, which is different than just a sleeper. :D Projects inside and will make the roster.

7- #230 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist - lest I forget. Impressive hang time and accurate directional skills make him a worthy gamble.
 
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