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Gasper: Mayo out 6-8wks, possibly less - sprained MCL- grade 3


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Great, in the span of about a week the defense loses Richard Seymour and Jarod Mayo. I'm starting to think if we just match last year's 5-2 start that would be wonderful.
 
Thanks for the post. I have a question. You mentioned the individual rate of healing. The Steelers have said Polamalu's injury is a 3-6 wk thing. Obviously the severity of his injury and Mayo's injury might not be similar, but does the individual rate of healing between to athletes of roughly the same age vary or do most 20 something athletes heal at generally the same rate? In other words, could one of them be a faster healer with the exact same injury and if so, why?

There's a lot of genetic variation in the inflammatory response and wound healing, and it can vary to a substantial degree among individuals with similar demographic backgrounds. Obviously, an older person or someone with a comorbid condition such as diabetes isn't going to heal as well as a younger person, but even among 20-something athletes there can be considerable differences. Not to bring up a controversial topic or imply anything specific, but steroid use could also significantly affect wound susceptibility and healing among athletes.

Individual genetic variability in disease states is called genomics, and it's a hot research field. At some point in the next decade or two we'll probably be able to run a blood sample and figure out what an individual's injury response profile looks like and manipulate it, but we're no where near that right now.

Don't know if that helps at all.
 
I've always thought that a 5-2 start would be great.

QUOTE=PATSYLICIOUS;1505482]Great, in the span of about a week the defense loses Richard Seymour and Jarod Mayo. I'm starting to think if we just match last year's 5-2 start that would be wonderful.[/QUOTE]
 
I've always thought that a 5-2 start would be great.

QUOTE=PATSYLICIOUS;1505482]Great, in the span of about a week the defense loses Richard Seymour and Jarod Mayo. I'm starting to think if we just match last year's 5-2 start that would be wonderful.
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I'd be fine with a 5-2 start. In fact, I've predicted in some earlier threads that we would go 5-2 over our first 7 games and then win out after the bye week.
 
There's a lot of genetic variation in the inflammatory response and wound healing, and it can vary to a substantial degree among individuals with similar demographic backgrounds. Obviously, an older person or someone with a comorbid condition such as diabetes isn't going to heal as well as a younger person, but even among 20-something athletes there can be considerable differences. Not to bring up a controversial topic or imply anything specific, but steroid use could also significantly affect wound susceptibility and healing among athletes.

Individual genetic variability in disease states is called genomics, and it's a hot research field. At some point in the next decade or two we'll probably be able to run a blood sample and figure out what an individual's injury response profile looks like and manipulate it, but we're no where near that right now.

Don't know if that helps at all.

That's very interesting. Sounds like if that research continues to develop it'll bring about some incredible advances in sports medicine.
 
Grade III MCL sprains will keep players out for an average of 5 weeks.
 
I really wouldn't expect it to be clear, which is probably a good thing. If it were clear cut, it would probably be a serious and season-ending injury. Lesser injuries have a lot of variability in terms of recovery time.

As a physician, I couldn't even make a guess as to how long Mayo will be out without seeing his MRI images and examining him. It sounds like the injury was isolated to his MCL, which is good, and was not a tear, which is also good. A lot depends on individual rate of healing from injury, and also how cautious the Pats are about bringing him back. I wouldn't expect a consensus even among orthopedic surgeons with backgrounds in sports medicine who have access to all the data. Plus, I'm sure BB would rather wait a wekk or two and have a fully healthy Mayo ready for the stretch run than rush him back too early if there is any question whatsoever.

My best guess is that we won't see him for at least a month and probably not until after the bye week, but it's just a guess, and I doubt anyone knows at this time how quickly he will recovery. I think the safest thing is not to count on him too soon.

Thanks for the measured and informative post. Also, great user name, considering your profession.

I'm curious -- how familiar are you with this new Platelet-Rich Plasma therapy? This would seem to me like the exact kind of injury this treatment is designed for, and we know at least one Patriots has a working relationship with one of the techniques most prominent practioners, Dr. Neal Attrache.
 
Thanks for the measured and informative post. Also, great user name, considering your profession.

I'm curious -- how familiar are you with this new Platelet-Rich Plasma therapy? This would seem to me like the exact kind of injury this treatment is designed for, and we know at least one Patriots has a working relationship with one of the techniques most prominent practioners, Dr. Neal Attrache.

I have no personal experience with it, not being a sports medicine specialist. You're into fairly specialized territory at this point. It's been around since the 70's and has had some adherents for facial and tendon/ligament injuries. All of the work I do is with complex trauma patients, and we don't use it to enhance wound healing, but that is dealing with much more extensive wounds.

I expect to have some conversations about Mayo's injury with some of my orthopedic surgeon friends once a bit more is known.
 
Two thing.

First 6-8 weeks for a normal person to be 'recovered', but this guy needs to do a lot more than a normal person so the tear has to be fully recovered AND strengthened. On the other hand he has a better crew working with him.

Secondly, Jackie MacMullen (who I detest) did an article on him. Is it possible that it was a jinx? I knew it was a bad idea.
 
Re: Mayo out 6-8wks - sprained MCL- grade 3

Dont worry guys.

I am sure belichick can just waive that nfl fax from the sideline confirming the #1 in 2011.....that piece of paper can really stuff the run
 
I've always thought that a 5-2 start would be great.

Well, with the roster before the Seymour trade, I'd definately be okay with 5-2 but wouldn't have considered it great. Right now I would be ecstatic with that, considering we don't get anymore devastating injuries.
 
Well not very good news but w/e its football injurys happen its part of the game, now we need others to step up and get it done. I remember when ty law went down our best CB and a hell of a player, they steped up then they need to do the same thing now.

Will be fine, BB is the best HC in the NFL and if anyone can overcome an injury to a great player on his team its him.

I wish him luck on his rehab but we have games to win and with or without him we need to play smart football and kick some butt.
 
Re: Mayo out 6-8wks - sprained MCL- grade 3

Dont worry guys.

I am sure belichick can just waive that nfl fax from the sideline confirming the #1 in 2011.....that piece of paper can really stuff the run

here we go again :rolleyes:
 
Re: Mayo out 6-8wks - sprained MCL- grade 3

It was bound to happen at some point :rolleyes:

I really don't care tonight. Everybody can waste time arguing about a trade thats over, and done with. All i ask, is that we don't have another argument over Matt Light tonight. Im simply not in the mood :D
 
Re: Mayo out 6-8wks - sprained MCL- grade 3

Dont worry guys.

I am sure belichick can just waive that nfl fax from the sideline confirming the #1 in 2011.....that piece of paper can really stuff the run

Seymour was good against the run but lets be realistic,Its not like teams were not able to run against the Pats even with Seymour - Some teams have done well against us...and thats prior to 2 weeks ago

Our defense against the run has not been the same since Washington and Traylor moved on and thats nothing against Wilfork but he is simply not as good as those guys were in this defense.
 
I was just reading a PDF File on MCL Sprains, and the presentation said for a Grade III Sprain, the patient is back in sports in 8 to 12 weeks.

Somebody on Patsfans.com posted the question a few weeks back 'who can the team least afford to lose besides Brady', and Mayo was the overwhelming winner.

This is not good.
 
Re: Mayo out 6-8wks - sprained MCL- grade 3

I'm obviously not a medical professional, but Troy's prognosis is better than Mayo's for an injury that looked a lot worse than Mayo's. I know there are different grades and all that, but I still have to believe that Mayo can be back on the field before Troy, who many believe will be out for about six weeks.
 
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