La Canfora: Pats trying hard to keep Bodden - Texans and Steelers in it

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pats1 said:

I'm not saying it's "all about" one thing. But I have a hard time believing that you're sitting there and truly believing that the Pats had a championship-caliber roster in 2009, and instead blaming everything else on such things as veteran leadership, miscommunications, and inexperience. If that argument were to hold true, then you should also be willing to say that the Patriots could roll out the exact same roster in 2010 and expect a significantly better result (say, 13-3 or 14-2 and a Super Bowl appearance). Definition of insanity...

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Things that will help us.

1. Young guys learning to become leaders

2. BB taking on more with the defense.



I'd say that's worth something? No?

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pats1 said:

I'm not saying it's "all about" one thing. But I have a hard time believing that you're sitting there and truly believing that the Pats had a championship-caliber roster in 2009, and instead blaming everything else on such things as veteran leadership, miscommunications, and inexperience. If that argument were to hold true, then you should also be willing to say that the Patriots could roll out the exact same roster in 2010 and expect a significantly better result (say, 13-3 or 14-2 and a Super Bowl appearance). Definition of insanity...

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How good a team is, is 100% relative to the other 31 teams. You couldn't roll out the 2001 team and expect it to be a top contender. So no, being a good team in 2009 does NOT mean that you are instantly a good team in 2010. If 5-10 teams improve and you stand pat then your relative goodness changes.

I agree we have to work to get better from the current roster, but there's a long offseason to do that. I just don't get why we should debate the exact current roster, when no one's roster is even close to being set. But it does have a solid foundation. And having a solid foundation sets you up for a higher likelihood of being able to build a good overall product on top of it.

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PATRIOTS-80 said:

Things that will help us.

1. Young guys learning to become leaders

2. BB taking on more with the defense.



I'd say that's worth something? No?

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Something, yes. But how do we know these players will become leaders? What's the opportunity cost of Belichick working more with the defense?

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mr3putt said:

Rubbish
They played like crap against the tough teams all year
And the final playoff game was the pinnacle of futility

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Slapping the Jets, and losing a close one to Indy while getting stomped by the SB champion Saints is not "played like crap against the tough teams all year".

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Deus Irae said:

When a 10-6 team is barely treading water, and its most reliable receiver is likely to miss a good chunk of the next season, that's not a good sign.

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What can I say? I agree with your statement but not really sure what it has to do with re-signing Wilfork and possibly Bodden being huge moves.

With Welker healthy, our roster was as good as anyone's last season. We all know that a couple of the big problems were Brady having to work his way back into form, Moss playing hurt, as well as chemistry issues in the lockerroom.

Personnel-wise, yes, the lack of a WR2 and the linebacker situation were big problems. I expect them to be addessed before the season starts.

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emoney_33 said:

How good a team is, is 100% relative to the other 31 teams. You couldn't roll out the 2001 team and expect it to be a top contender. So no, being a good team in 2009 does NOT mean that you are instantly a good team in 2010. If 5-10 teams improve and you stand pat then your relative goodness changes.

I agree we have to work to get better from the current roster, but there's a long offseason to do that. I just don't get why we should debate the exact current roster, when no one's roster is even close to being set. But it does have a solid foundation. And having a solid foundation sets you up for a higher likelihood of being able to build a good overall product on top of it.

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Agreed, and besides no two squads are the same. BB has said that before. Each year is different; each team is different.

The important thing next year is to FINISH.

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emoney_33 said:

How good a team is, is 100% relative to the other 31 teams. You couldn't roll out the 2001 team and expect it to be a top contender. So no, being a good team in 2009 does NOT mean that you are instantly a good team in 2010. If 5-10 teams improve and you stand pat then your relative goodness changes.

I agree we have to work to get better from the current roster, but there's a long offseason to do that. I just don't get why we should debate the exact current roster, when no one's roster is even close to being set. But it does have a solid foundation. And having a solid foundation sets you up for a higher likelihood of being able to build a good overall product on top of it.

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I'm not arguing anything you're saying. All I am doing is arguing against those posters who have written that the Pats have gotten better to this point in free agency.

chevss454 said:

Steelers fans are loving this

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Ask them how their QB's love-life is going.

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pats1 said:

Something, yes. But how do we know these players will become leaders? What's the opportunity cost of Belichick working more with the defense?

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Bruschi has said before that this is Mayo's team. Will Mayo become a leader? I sure hope so. I know I'm glad we picked him.

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pats1 said:

I'm not arguing anything you're saying. All I am doing is arguing against those posters who have written that the Pats have gotten better to this point in free agency.

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OK then I can agree with that.

Now come on Bodden, do the right thing!

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JMarr said:

What can I say? I agree with your statement but not really sure what it has to do with re-signing Wilfork and possibly Bodden being huge moves.

With Welker healthy, our roster was as good as anyone's last season. We all know that a couple of the big problems were Brady having to work his way back into form, Moss playing hurt, as well as chemistry issues in the lockerroom.

Personnel-wise, yes, the lack of a WR2 and the linebacker situation were big problems. I expect them to be addessed before the season starts.

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Good, let's just go with the roster right now. They should trade all their draft picks into next year and not sign anyone else because gosh-darnit this is a damn good football team and it's a new year and all ills will be cured.

Gee, sounds kind of like the mantra going into 2006 without any WRs and the mantra going into 2008 without any corners or the mantra going into 2009 without any pass rushers, huh? "They'll find someone to get the job done" or "they'll work around it somehow." Hey, Doug Gabriel, Deltha O'Neal, and Derrick Burgess really worked out...

Only if we could go back to the days when the team sought to GET BETTER by going out and getting Rodney, Ted Washington, Corey Dillon...

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pats1 said:

I'm not arguing anything you're saying. All I am doing is arguing against those posters who have written that the Pats have gotten better to this point in free agency.

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No argument then. But at least the Pats are trying to fend off the other teams from raiding our fa's; successfully so far. I think it's time for the Pats to do some raiding of their own.

I have a question for the posters that said they should have been resigned months ago. How. Did we have enough cap space. I thought we had to wait for March 5th before we could sign some one when the old cap went away.

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JMarr said:

What can I say? I agree with your statement but not really sure what it has to do with re-signing Wilfork and possibly Bodden being huge moves.

With Welker healthy, our roster was as good as anyone's last season. We all know that a couple of the big problems were Brady having to work his way back into form, Moss playing hurt, as well as chemistry issues in the lockerroom.

Personnel-wise, yes, the lack of a WR2 and the linebacker situation were big problems. I expect them to be addessed before the season starts.

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Re-signing Wilfork yesterday was an irrelevancy for the upcoming season that the suckers are buying into as some big deal. He had already been franchised, so a re-signing is only important for the out years. Re-signing Bodden is something that should never have been an issue, and still hasn't been accomplished.

People are giving the team "attaboys!" for doing things that should have been done months ago. Had the Patriots not been screwing around last season, Wilfork could have had his deal in place, the team could have kept (and franchised) Seymour, and it would be in far better shape today than it is.

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pats1 said:

Pierre Garcon (2008 draft), Austin Collie, Jacob Lacey, Jerraud Powers, Donald Brown (draft/UDFA), and Kyle DeVan and Daniel Muir (street FAs). Too bad the Pats can't draft like that...

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i think the pats had one of the best drafts in a long time.


and IMO it had a lot more to do with payton maning, just haveing a much better year. then brady, i don't think Garcon and Collie, are amazing WR's good yes but. brady missed a lot of wide open WR's last year and did not realy want to throw to anyone but welker,

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emoney_33 said:

OK then I can agree with that.

Now come on Bodden, do the right thing!

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As for me being negative (I know you deleted it, just thought I'd respond), I hope I'm not coming off that way because that's not really how I'm feeling. Just after what has happened the past two seasons and what has happened in general over the past five years, I am not willing to accept the status quo. I do think the Pats have made some questionable decisions over the past few seasons and it has hurt them, without a doubt. Instead of saying "alright, this looks good," I'm more inclined now to say "good, but can do better."

Really hope we can keep Bodden. It's hard to gauge though what the #'s are looking like here. If the Texans didn't want to retain Dunta for around $10M per, I would find it unlikely they'd want to throw anything like that at Leigh. I'd really hope he stays for around $6-7M per with a good chunk of that paid upfront in the uncapped season. Anything more than that is alot for his value.

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patsfan-1982 said:

i think the pats had one of the best drafts in a long time.


and IMO it had a lot more to do with payton maning, just haveing a much better year. then brady, i don't think Garcon and Collie, are amazing WR's good yes but. brady missed a lot of wide open WR's last year and did not realy want to throw to anyone but welker,

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Very true. Too bad Jabar Gaffney was too expensive, huh?

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pats1 said:

As for me being negative (I know you deleted it, just thought I'd respond), I hope I'm not coming off that way because that's not really how I'm feeling. Just after what has happened the past two seasons and what has happened in general over the past five years, I am not willing to accept the status quo.

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With other teams improving, accepting the status quo is going backwards. BB knows this.

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pats1 said:

Very true. Too bad Jabar Gaffney was too expensive, huh?

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lol that would have been a big help last year and this year keeping gaffney,