2010 NFL MVP Debate (merged several times)

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Shouldn't even be close, yet people seem to think it somehow is.

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Sciz said:

Shouldn't even be close, yet people seem to think it somehow is.

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Vick has been great but he doesn't hold a candle to Brady.

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Mike Vick has been incredible and right now I can say it is a toss up between him and Brady for MVP. The main factor that swings my vote to Brady is the fact the in the 3 complete games Vick was out the Eagles went 2-1. One of the wins was against the 12-2 Falcons. If Brady missed 3 games what are the odds the Pats go 3-1?

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How many MVP threads can be started before the end of the regular season? My guess is 812.

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shatch62 said:

If Brady missed 3 games what are the odds the Pats go 3-1?

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I hope no chance

In all seriousness, I don't see how anybody can argue for Vick. He has fewer TDs, more turnovers, leads a less efficient offence, has a better running game, has a better defense.

Brady leads the NFL in TDs and fewest number of Ints, set a record for consecutive games of 2+ TDs and no picks, and leads the offense that is #1 in the NFL in scoring (even without the Defensive and ST scores), has a record (and still active) streak of 6 games without a turnover and is on pace to have the fewest number of turnovers in NFL history. The record is 13 (2008 Dolphins). The Pats have 9 through 14 games.

Yeah, this isn't close until you let your emotion take over and see that Vick is a flashier player. Last time I checked, there weren't points for style in the NFL.

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shatch62 said:

Mike Vick has been incredible and right now I can say it is a toss up between him and Brady for MVP. The main factor that swings my vote to Brady is the fact the in the 3 complete games Vick was out the Eagles went 2-1. One of the wins was against the 12-2 Falcons. If Brady missed 3 games what are the odds the Pats go 3-1?

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impossible to go 3-1 in 3 games

when brady missed a whole season though, cassell's starting record 10-5? (brady started game 1 and the starting qb gets credit for the w or l, regardless of time played in the game...therefore brady went 1-0 in 2008)


cassell actually went 3-1 and 4-1 a couple stretches that year


so NE proved it's not impossible to win without brady, but that's not to say he isn't the mvp, he is

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jcdavey said:

impossible to go 3-1 in 3 games

when brady missed a whole season though, cassell's starting record 10-5? (brady started game 1 and the starting qb gets credit for the w or l, regardless of time played in the game...therefore brady went 1-0 in 2008)


cassell actually went 3-1 and 4-1 a couple stretches that year


so NE proved it's not impossible to win without brady, but that's not to say he isn't the mvp, he is

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What does 2008 have to do with 2010? Was the defense ranked near the bottom that year too? If this was the year Cassell took over they're a .500 team at best

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jaychamp said:

What does 2008 have to do with 2010? Was the defense ranked near the bottom that year too? If this was the year Cassell took over they're a .500 team at best

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you can say it, you just cannot prove it....


doesn't change the fact that brady is the 2010 mvp

but stop with the unprovable bull**** lol

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jcdavey said:

you can say it, you just cannot prove it....


doesn't change the fact that brady is the 2010 mvp

but stop with the unprovable bull**** lol

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Obviously you can't prove it. But it's highly likely. That 2008 team had a better defense, better veteran leadership on both sides of the ball, a better receiving corps, and a MUCH easier schedule than this year's Patriots team does.

Having said that, there is no doubt in my mind that Brady is the 2010 MVP. None whatsoever. Do I care as much as others that he wins it? Nope. But he IS the MVP.

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KontradictioN said:

Obviously you can't prove it. But it's highly likely. That 2008 team had a better defense, better veteran leadership on both sides of the ball, a better receiving corps, and a MUCH easier schedule than this year's Patriots team does.

Having said that, there is no doubt in my mind that Brady is the 2010 MVP. None whatsoever. Do I care as much as others that he wins it? Nope. But he IS the MVP.

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yeah definite mvp, IMO this is brady's best season

Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

This may be smoke and mirrors. sportsbook.com has updated the betting odds.

Football Betting Odds

Brady -400 (80%)
Vick +200 (33.3%)
Field (16.7%)

The Vig, if you do the math, is 30%. This is why you should never bet futures.

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I don't know if another poster has already pointed this out but since 1999 the League MVP has NOT won the Super Bowl. This includes 2007. Does this qualify as a curse (ala Madden)? I couldn't say.

I will say: give Vick the MVP and Brady the Lombardi.

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elandadem said:

I don't know if another poster has already pointed this out but since 1999 the League MVP has NOT won the Super Bowl. This includes 2007. Does this qualify as a curse (ala Madden)? I couldn't say.

I will say: give Vick the MVP and Brady the Lombardi.

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This is stupid as hell.

Maybe if Manning wasn't handed 4 MVPs within 8 seasons on a silver plate then some more MVPs would have had a chance to win a SB.

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I still don't know how Brees didn't win last year. Does anyone honestly think that if the voters got it right and made Brees the MVP the superbowl would have turned out differently?

also, the "no MVP has won the superbowl since 1999" stat is a coincidence. In the 90s the MVP won the superbowl 5 times (Smith, Young, Favre, Davis, Warner). Just like the award had nothing to do with not winning in the '00s it had nothing to do with winning 50% of the time in the 90s.

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Disco Volante said:

Better Record (Best in NFL) (+ Better Strength of Victory)
More Passing TDs (+ Total TDs)
More Passing Yards (+ Total Yards)
Less INTs (+ 120 more attempts)
Higher Completion %
More Yards
Higher QB Rating

Where the hell is Vick better?

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Uh, you're conveniently leaving off all of Vick's rushing statistics. If you factor those in:

Total yards: Brady 3,589 to Vick 3,368
TD's: Brady 32, Vick 28.
INT's: Brady 4, Vick 5.

Yes, Brady leads. But it isn't quite as lopsided as you seem to think - especially considering that Vick accumulated his stats in 3 fewer games.

Bottom line is they are both having stellar seasons, and people in here need to relax. I cannot believe the conniptions we see when someone suggests that gee, maybe the Patriots aren't the best at everything.

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brady plays against top defenses, vick does not.

however, if the eagles and patriots play later this year, then the eagles will be very tough.

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Wolfpack said:

Uh, you're conveniently leaving off all of Vick's rushing statistics. If you factor those in:

Total yards: Brady 3,589 to Vick 3,368
TD's: Brady 32, Vick 28.
INT's: Brady 4, Vick 5.

Yes, Brady leads. But it isn't quite as lopsided as you seem to think - especially considering that Vick accumulated his stats in 3 fewer games.

Bottom line is they are both having stellar seasons, and people in here need to relax. I cannot believe the conniptions we see when someone suggests that gee, maybe the Patriots aren't the best at everything.

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They are better and qb and that not even up for debate.

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Wolfpack said:

Uh, you're conveniently leaving off all of Vick's rushing statistics. If you factor those in:

Total yards: Brady 3,589 to Vick 3,368
TD's: Brady 32, Vick 28.
INT's: Brady 4, Vick 5.

Yes, Brady leads. But it isn't quite as lopsided as you seem to think - especially considering that Vick accumulated his stats in 3 fewer games.

Bottom line is they are both having stellar seasons, and people in here need to relax. I cannot believe the conniptions we see when someone suggests that gee, maybe the Patriots aren't the best at everything.

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I think this is just a an overall insecurity that many Pats fans, including myself, have regarding Brady's legacy. In 2007, there were so many haters proclaiming that Moss was the only reason for his success. Brady basically needs to have historic seasons to garner MVP consideration, while Manning just needs to be very good. Come on, if Manning were having Brady's season, this wouldn't even be a question in the media. It would be that Manning is carrying his team and no one else can do what Manning does, and Vick is the clear runner-up. Brady just never gets the true respect he deserves, which is to be the hands-down greatest football player of his generation.

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Wolfpack said:

Uh, you're conveniently leaving off all of Vick's rushing statistics. If you factor those in:

Total yards: Brady 3,589 to Vick 3,368
TD's: Brady 32, Vick 28.
INT's: Brady 4, Vick 5.

Yes, Brady leads. But it isn't quite as lopsided as you seem to think - especially considering that Vick accumulated his stats in 3 fewer games.

Bottom line is they are both having stellar seasons, and people in here need to relax. I cannot believe the conniptions we see when someone suggests that gee, maybe the Patriots aren't the best at everything.

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The Eagles have what, 16 rushing TDs, the Pats 17.
Vick has 8, TFB has 1.
So Vick is a more valuable player because instead of handing off the ball to the running back, he runs it in himself?
Doesn't Vick also have like 9 fumbles to Brady's 3 or something?
I just don't see him being a better choice for MVP than Brady this year.
I do however hope Manning wins it, just because it's a meaningless popularity contest.