Mankins Days as Pat Over?

Keyser Söze said:

Not the Patriots

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Correct. The Pats approximately spent to the previous year's salary cap in anticipation of the cap returning so they do not find themselves in cap hell.

I want them to pony up and pay Mankins as the best interior OL in the league because he is just that. He's this era's John Hannah. However, Mankins is and has been playing hardball and the Patriots will do the same and use every option open to them, and that obviously includes tagging him. They can afford his deal and they should get it done immediately, hopefully it doesn't go south.

Froob said:

Yea but, did you see him wrestle the fumble away from 3-4 jets? The guy plays angry, linemen as good as him are few and far between. We need more of players like him not less. Pats have 3rd lowest payroll in the league. They HAVE to bring him back.

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Wrong. The third lowest payroll claim was incorrect, as admitted by the correction on page A2 in, I believe, Wednesday's Boston Globe. In accordance with the 3 most commonly-used salary instruments, the Pats rank 2nd, 9th and 12th.

I'll be very upset with this organization of they let Mankins slip through the cracks like this. it won't make much sense at all. they need to keep brady as upright as possible in his last few years.

relaeasing mankins is doing just the opposite and makes another superbowl run a distant memory

reflexblue said:

After giving it a little thought (very little) i'm sure a more than adequate guard could be picked up in FA and coached up

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The Jets found a guy to replace Faneca in the draft.

NE was looking for a Guard when they found Mankins.

Is this the same Logan Mankins who said just a couple of days ago that he hasn't given his contract situation a whole lot of thought and will wait for the new CBA before he gets heavily involved in it??
Memo to Logan: Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......

If im bob kraft right now im inviting Mankins over to my place for a nice steak dinner, i refuse to talk about the contract until it is over, instead i talk about the family, how the ranch is going, tv shows, whatever. After dinner i apologize to Mankins for how this has gone, i explain to him about how there was a misunderstanding and how important he is for the team's future, then i tell him that the patriots are willing to be extremely competitive to retain him because of how important he is, but i also invite him to go out and find a better offer.

then you let him go out and try to find the best offer and then offer him a bit more than that (within reason).

Mankins is important to this team and what he wants more than anything is to see what his value is in the market. let him try to find that value, hopefully he goes out and realizes that the patriots were being fair to him all along, after all, few teams are in a better position to resign him.

if he finds a better deal and you cant/dont want to match it, you shake his hand and move on.

Keyser Söze said:

Not the Patriots

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Shanknancy made a mistake. I would believe Reiss before him.


It seems that the payrolls of NFL teams can be interpreted in many different ways. This is apparent from a pair of statements in articles over the last couple of days.

On Sunday, Dan Shaughnessy wrote the following:
Today, Mike Reiss has this:
So which is it?
This is a game I’ve heard the likes of Ron Borges, Michael Felger, and Shaughnessy play. They interpret the payroll one way so that they can accuse the Krafts of being “cheap” and others calculate things out so that it shows that the Patriots are near the top of the league in payroll. They cite bonuses, “dead money” and actual salary paid for that season as variables that can be swapped out, apparently to make your argument either way.

Where did Shaughnessy get his information? If you type NFL Payrolls into Google, this page is the second result, and has the Patriots third-lowest in the NFL. The problem is that the data on that page is from at least 2008.

I’d like to think that Shaughnessy used better information than just a quick Google search.

Kid~Brady said:

I'll be very upset with this organization of they let Mankins slip through the cracks like this. it won't make much sense at all. they need to keep brady as upright as possible in his last few years.

relaeasing mankins is doing just the opposite and makes another superbowl run a distant memory

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What sense does it not make? Seems pretty obvious to me. It comes down to five simple answers.

1. The Pats do not think that he is worth the money he is asking for. (highly possible)
2. The Pats would rather spend the dollars on other critical positions and believe that they can fill the LG spot in the draft. (very possible)
3. The Pats think he deserves the money, but does not fit into their player/position/value system. (possible)
4. The Pats think he is worth the money, but the terms, $$ paid out and contract length are not agreed upon. (very possible)
5. The Pats can't afford him. (unlikely)

AndyJohnson said:

How is it disrespecting a player to pay him the average of the top 5 players at his position?

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please stop dissing logan with these questions.

i hope that Mankins and Pats will be able to make an agreement

he is , imho, our best OL

let's see...

for example, Kraft and Mankins agree he is worth 8M a year. Kraft sends a 6 year, 48M offer; Mankins rejects it. Why? Its because Mankins wants to be paid 8M a year plus what he wanted this year. He'd be looking for 56M over 6 years, an implied 8M a year for what he put in this year included.

andrewgarrr said:

That's a very poor summary of each position's job.

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It was not a summary of the positions job, it was a comment on big play potential per position.

mcdonut16 said:

Just to be clear, everyone understands that franchising Mankins means the Patriots have to pay him the average of the top 5 Offensive Lineman in the NFL, not just Guards.

There is no differentiation between Offensive Lineman.

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yes, the tag was 9.12 last year, It was reported that the pats were willing to go 7.5 a year long term. for another 1.5mill next year the pats have him without putting out 25 mill. Good deal for the pats as i see it.

townes said:

I want them to pony up and pay Mankins as the best interior OL in the league because he is just that. He's this era's John Hannah. However, Mankins is and has been playing hardball and the Patriots will do the same and use every option open to them, and that obviously includes tagging him. They can afford his deal and they should get it done immediately, hopefully it doesn't go south.

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He is not John Hannah, John was the best guard that ever played the game.
Mankins is one of the 5 best guards playing now.

Logan Mankins believes Patriots days are over - BostonHerald.com

Karen Guregian goes into more detail on Mankins' situation in the two-page column above; below are a few of Mankins' direct quotes.

“No, I wouldn’t be happy about that (franchise tag), if that’s what they choose to do, to be dealt that kind of hand,’’ Mankins said following the AFC team’s workout yesterday on a field at the Pro Bowl hotel complex. “But we’ll see what happens.’’

“I would never say the door is totally shut,’’ Mankins said, when asked to clarify his remarks. “But the way it’s looking right now, I don’t see it happening. I don’t see them trying to keep me, unless it’s with the franchise tag.’’

Asked if he still had scars from a contentious negotiation, he finally responded.

“I don’t know. I guess there is,’’ he said. “But I’ve gotten past it. I just learned it’s a business the hard way.’’

“I enjoyed playing there,’’ Mankins said, using the past tense. “The season’s over. Now it’s business time. Who knows what’s going to happen. Things could change with the CBA.

“I just know I’ll be employed. Someone will pay me.’’

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Guregian concludes by saying that it is difficult to say whether this is posturing or if this is how he truly feels. I don't know either but I'm inclined to think this is part of contract negotiations; a public lobbying to get the Pats to make a new offer right now rather than waiting to see what happens with the CBA.

Sign the man. Pay him and sign him.

patman52 said:

yes, the tag was 9.12 last year, It was reported that the pats were willing to go 7.5 a year long term. for another 1.5mill next year the pats have him without putting out 25 mill. Good deal for the pats as i see it.

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The tag was $10.7M last year. It could be more or less this year depending on where some of the LT numbers were in 2010. Depending on guys getting fat new deals and others in the lower middle or phony backend of deals tags don't always go up. Still, your broader point is correct in that they may prefer to overpay him for one more season as they did with Asante, while still refusing to give him what he wants long term. The Pats were willing to pay Asante somewhere in the $6M range. He wanted and got $9M from the Eagles. But we paid him $7.8M for 2007. And we could also tag and trade Mankins, which is what I had proposed we do with Asante. Turns out he wasn't a difference maker in 2007, either, so having even a #2 for him would have been sweet...but I'm not sure the market was there. Mankins could bring more than that but it would take a new CBA getting worked in weeks rather than months to be able to test that market.

Sooner he's gone the better. 10M for a guard is ludicrous. 8M is ludicrous. He isn't that good. See Tuck, Justin.

You could hire a FA cb like bailey for that money, or improve the team in countless other ways. Guards are a dime a dozen.

PatsWickedPissah said:

It is clear that the last several SB teams paid their OGs top of the league money. No top 5 cheap money for them. So, we need to do the same and pay Mankins the same as those proven winners and not waste valuable cap money on All-Pro OLBs, CBs and other insignificant positions. Example... repeat SB Champs New Orleans.

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Do you have facts to back up what SB winners were paying their Gs?
Never mind, just caught the sarcasm