Greatest Quarterback Debate Tabled For Now

tedy hagler · Feb 7, 2011

No, I'm talking about your adjusted rating, which I took was for this year only. TB still number 1 for me. But Rodgers youth deserves some serious consideration; he is on his way up and TB is getting surgery every year now.

DarrylStingley said:
So you'd take Rodgers over Brady if you could choose either one to run your team?

I'm glad you are not running my team.

jcdavey · Feb 7, 2011

here's a question

who do you think vegas will install as the sb favorite for the 2011 season?

MoLewisrocks · Feb 7, 2011

tedy hagler said:
I have to flip Rodgers into # 1 spot followed by Brady and then Manning.

My reasoning: Rodgers did not throw a screen pass in 1st quarter that hovered so long that you could leave room, make a meatball sub, and return to room before the &&! ball dropped into a linebacker's hands.

You are only as good as what you did yesterday in the NFL.

Typical ADHD frontrunner mentality. Reminds me of Felger back in 2006 when he wanted to start his franchise with...Carson Palmer. Rogers may be a great QB when all is said and done, or he may be one and done like his predecessor or he may be out of the league early like Aikman as the hits catch up to him. For now he's just the next contender in a long line of contenders who have yet to show they can stay the course and perform at a consistently high level over the long haul, as in a decade and counting.

MoLewisrocks · Feb 7, 2011

jcdavey said:
no i'd take rivers over manning

manning throws too many ints lol

rivers has yet to throw more than 2 in any one game

give me the colts secondary (when sanders was healthy) and their wrs though for sure

This Philip Rivers? LOL

7 Games 3W 4L 134 229 58.5% 1820 8TD 9INT 79.2 QB rating

MoLewisrocks · Feb 7, 2011

jcdavey said:
here's a question

who do you think vegas will install as the sb favorite for the 2011 season?

I read last night GB was 6-1...and NE was 9-2

MoLewisrocks · Feb 7, 2011

tedy hagler said:
No, I'm talking about your adjusted rating, which I took was for this year only. TB still number 1 for me. But Rodgers youth deserves some serious consideration; he is on his way up and TB is getting surgery every year now.

Tom's had surgery almost every year. Most players do. I'll take that over concussions any day...

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 7, 2011

Disco Volante said:
He was in 2008 and should of won MVP.

Do you honetly think the Chargers would be better if Ben was at QB instead of Rivers?

I'm no fan of Ben, but those are two different systems. Ben was built for his and definitely not for San Diego's. He's taken his teams to three SB's.

I am a fan of Rivers, but he'll turn 30 for next season, his eighth, and, with a 3--4 playoff record, he's running out of time to show that he legitimately belongs in a discussion of the top QB's playing today. Right now he doesn't and I'd put Brady, Brees, Manning, Rogers and Ben above him.

jcdavey · Feb 7, 2011

MoLewisrocks said:
This Philip Rivers? LOL

7 Games 3W 4L 134 229 58.5% 1820 8TD 9INT 79.2 QB rating

i'd take PR over peyton yeah, something about peyton, he just plays alot stupider IMO, in the playoffs

aside from that time vinatieri and his rbs bailed him out lol

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 7, 2011

DarrylS said:
Rothlisberger does not belong in the same sentence as Brady, Manning and maybe Brees... his size and mobility add a dimension, but he does not seem to strike the same fear as the frontrunners do.

We can't have it both ways. It's either about stats or it's about winning. Those of us who put Tommy ahead of Manning and Marino because he knew how to win big games can't keep Ben (like him or not, and I do definitely do not!) out of a discussion of the best QB's.

tedy hagler · Feb 7, 2011

Thanks Dr., but most players don't have surgery every year. If they do, they are out of the league shortly after.

MoLewisrocks said:
Tom's had surgery almost every year. Most players do. I'll take that over concussions any day...

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 7, 2011

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jcdavey · Feb 7, 2011

PatsFanSince74 said:
I'm no fan of Ben, but those are two different systems. Ben was built for his and definitely not for San Diego's. He's taken his teams to three SB's.

I am a fan of Rivers, but he'll turn 30 for next season, his eighth, and, with a 3--4 playoff record, he's running out of time to show that he legitimately belongs in a discussion of the top QB's playing today. Right now he doesn't and I'd put Brady, Brees, Manning, Rogers and Ben above him.

by the way, what did peyton start out as, in his playoff record?

wasn't it 3-6 as a playoff qb?

isn't peyton merely a 9-10 playoff qb currently? lol

MoLewisrocks · Feb 7, 2011

jcdavey said:
by the way, what did peyton start out as, in his playoff record?

wasn't it 3-6 as a playoff qb?

isn't peyton merely a 9-10 playoff qb currently? lol

But he's 1-1 in Superbowls and fairly dragged his team to that last one...and his team has been a legit contender for most of the last decade...unlike some of the highly touted fraudulent contenders who either can't seem to get their act together early on or keep it together once they get past that weak assed division they've played in most of the last decade...

jcdavey · Feb 7, 2011

MoLewisrocks said:
But he's 1-1 in Superbowls and fairly dragged his team to that last one...and his team has been a legit contender for most of the last decade...unlike some of the highly touted fraudulent contenders who either can't seem to get their act together early on or keep it together once they get past that weak assed division they've played in most of the last decade...

sounds like you're describing peyton's career aside from that one playoff run in which he won a sb yet threw more ints than tds lol

Fball · Feb 7, 2011

Rodgers is definitely in the mix now; he deserves to be mentioned w/ Brady & Manning, and when all is said & done, might be judged to be better than both.

He basically has it all. Rocket arm, accuracy, scrambling ability, improvising. He hasn't had a great line. He's 27, and just completed one of the best string of playoff performances of any QB in memory, against some very good defenses. And, he is clutch, on the biggest stage & everywhere else.

He gets about half of his team back next year; it's easy to see him winning 3-4 SB's and staking a claim to best of his era....

jcdavey · Feb 7, 2011

Fball said:
Rodgers is definitely in the mix now; he deserves to be mentioned w/ Brady & Manning, and when all is said & done, might be judged to be better than both.

He basically has it all. Rocket arm, accuracy, scrambling ability, improvising. He hasn't had a great line. He's 27, and just completed one of the best string of playoff performances of any QB in memory, against some very good defenses. And, he is clutch, on the biggest stage & everywhere else.

He gets about half of his team back next year; it's easy to see him winning 3-4 SB's and staking a claim to best of his era....

i don't disagree with any of that

SNHU0311 · Feb 7, 2011

Relax Pats Fans, Brady Still Has More Rings Than Big Ben Patriots Plus Here's a good article about Big Ben vs. Tom Brady.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Feb 7, 2011

Best Quarterback of All-Time

Hard to compare eras, but if Brady wins another, he equals all others in championships and stats. You have the Marino and Montana argument rolled into one. Brady has two of the most dominating seasons of all-time, by far and away the best TD:INT ratio, and based on percentage per pass (not longevity), there is no one equal. Another championship would also put Brady into the all-time lead in playoff wins, and he'd shatter more postseason/Super Bowl records. I think right now, Brady could easily argued as the best ever. But one more would really cement the argument. Two more would clinch it, but two more would make a lot of quarterbacks move way up on the echelon, so that isn't really something to count on.

Best Quarterback of this Generation

Brady easily wins this, blowing by Manning. With lesser talent on offense, Brady has done more. He throws as many TD passes per attempt with fewer interceptions. I think this argument has pretty much ended, unless Manning wins another Lombardi and Brady does not, in which case it is closer. Roethlisberger proved in the Super Bowl why he just isn't in their class. He is not accurate enough and struggles to read defenses. You'd think by year seven that he wouldn't look like he's still playing checkers out there and still getting by on athleticism.

Best Quarterback of Right Now

Sorry, Brady had a phenomenal season, one of the greatest ever, and didn't have the talented receivers like Rodgers. But my eyes tell me Rodgers is the best quarterback in the NFL for the time being. Rodgers is pretty much a perfect quarterback; he does what Brady does, except he can also scramble and throw a beautiful 20-25 yard loft, and his accuracy seems unfazed when he's off-balance. Rodgers had been hit 16 times through the third quarter and sacked only once. I think it's really, really close between these two, but the Super Bowl puts Rodgers over the top for now. Of course, Rodgers will now be the "hunted" and not the "hunter"- which Brady has endured now for ten years. We'll see how he responds. I don't think Philip Rivers is far behind either one of them.

sieglo · Feb 7, 2011

DarrylStingley said:
Based on this season as a whole, here's my adjusted QB Ratings:

1. Brady
2. Manning

3. Rodgers
4. Brees
5. Ben

6. Rivers
7. Flacco
8. Ryan
9. Vick
10. Freeman

I'd take Cassel over Flacco, Vick, and Freeman.

MoLewisrocks · Feb 7, 2011

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Best Quarterback of All-Time

Hard to compare eras, but if Brady wins another, he equals all others in championships and stats. You have the Marino and Montana argument rolled into one. Brady has two of the most dominating seasons of all-time, by far and away the best TD:INT ratio, and based on percentage per pass (not longevity), there is no one equal. Another championship would also put Brady into the all-time lead in playoff wins, and he'd shatter more postseason/Super Bowl records. I think right now, Brady could easily argued as the best ever. But one more would really cement the argument. Two more would clinch it, but two more would make a lot of quarterbacks move way up on the echelon, so that isn't really something to count on.

Best Quarterback of this Generation

Brady easily wins this, blowing by Manning. With lesser talent on offense, Brady has done more. He throws as many TD passes per attempt with fewer interceptions. I think this argument has pretty much ended, unless Manning wins another Lombardi and Brady does not, in which case it is closer. Roethlisberger proved in the Super Bowl why he just isn't in their class. He is not accurate enough and struggles to read defenses. You'd think by year seven that he wouldn't look like he's still playing checkers out there and still getting by on athleticism.

Best Quarterback of Right Now

Sorry, Brady had a phenomenal season, one of the greatest ever, and didn't have the talented receivers like Rodgers. But my eyes tell me Rodgers is the best quarterback in the NFL for the time being. Rodgers is pretty much a perfect quarterback; he does what Brady does, except he can also scramble and throw a beautiful 20-25 yard loft, and his accuracy seems unfazed when he's off-balance. Rodgers had been hit 16 times through the third quarter and sacked only once. I think it's really, really close between these two, but the Super Bowl puts Rodgers over the top for now. Of course, Rodgers will now be the "hunted" and not the "hunter"- which Brady has endured now for ten years. We'll see how he responds. I don't think Philip Rivers is far behind either one of them.

Right now often fleeting. Last year Brees was the QB of right now... Right now is the off season. Next season will likely be another whole scenario. Maybe Bradford or Ryan will emerge as the QB of right now. What sets Brady apart from all comers at the moment is he's the only one to have been in the the QB of right now conversation consistently for the lions share of a decade...even shouldering the burden of a bullseye consistently placed on his and this teams backs.

I think Rivers remains light years behind not just Brady and Rogers but also Manning and Brees and even Ben.

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