Gosselin's Final Mock Draft

letekro said:

Jordan is the player that makes the most sense. Problem is he is the best fit for the Chargers as well. I think we will need a small trade up to get him. The only other DEs that fit are Heyward and Wilkerson, who are lesser talents.

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I think you're right.

We would need to trade up to get him, he's so versatile. The bloodlines, etc.

I wouldn't want to be like the Steelers in 1989 when they had two picks in the first round and ended up blowing it, not trading up to get Andre Rison.

The 1989 NFL Draft: The Year the Steelers Had Two First Round Selections - Behind the Steel Curtain

Even today, all these years later, the draft is still an art not a science. As Bill Parcells said recently on the draft tv show, it's players wearing pads and helmets not Tebucky Jones running the forty, that needs to be ultimately looked at.

Box_O_Rocks said:

This is going to be interesting, I can see NE getting a second from Cincinnati for Hoyer, IF the league year is officially started and IF the QB run is as violent as Gos predicts. That break after round one could make things truly fun if teams can move players again.

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Who's going to back up Brady at that point? Crompton? Matt Gutierez? Testaverde? It seems a big ask to get a quarterback this late in the offseason, whether by draft or free agency, and have him conversant enough in the Pats offensive system to be the primary backup in September.

Box_O_Rocks said:

This is going to be interesting, I can see NE getting a second from Cincinnati for Hoyer, IF the league year is officially started and IF the QB run is as violent as Gos predicts. That break after round one could make things truly fun if teams can move players again.

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A young, reliable backup is gold, especially given BB's spotty record of picking QBs. I'm not trading Hoyer for a 2.

NePatriots said:

Remember, the way the Huddle Report competition (Gold standard in our industry) works is that you get 1 point if a player you have in the 1st gets picked in the 1st round, and 2 bonus points if he goes to the right team.

Gosselin could easily be tipping off who is looking to trade down.

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FWIW in the actual article he does name the team, not just the slot...

patchick said:

FWIW in the actual article he does name the team, not just the slot...

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Exactly - the slot means very little. The team/player fit is where it is at.

So let's imagine that Gosselin's sources are accurate. You're sitting at 17 and Jordan, Quinn, Watt, Amukamara, Costanzo etc. are all on the board. What do you do? Personally, I'd be on the phone trying like made to trade up from 28.

patchick said:

So let's imagine that Gosselin's sources are accurate. You're sitting at 17 and Jordan, Quinn, Watt, Amukamara, Costanzo etc. are all on the board. What do you do? Personally, I'd be on the phone trying like made to trade up from 28.

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Not five minutes ago I was considering of the wisdom of trying to draft Jordan and Watt in this scenario. It would be an expensive front line, but Wow!

I'm over it now, though. Trading up for Amukamara makes sense, since he can play corner or safety and provide value on punt returns also. I guess if I liked Constanzo more I'd grab him, but I'd be content to wait to see if he makes it to 28.

Well, this is fun.

What he's saying is: there are teams desperate for quarterbacks who like the quarterbacks on offer enough to go for them in the first round.

We should know with the first pick. If Carolina really do take Newton then the rush may be on and he could be right. Still, I'd bet that several teams would hang back to see if they could pick up their guy in the late first. (Jonathan Kraft said on ESPN the other day that taking a quarterback in the first round was preferable for the extra rookie contract year, even if you might still get him in the second.) Either way it's good for the Pats -- either front seven players fall or they have very valuable commodities to trade at 17 and 28.

manxman2601 said:

Fairley to the Lions. does that make any sense playing next to Suh?

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Fairley and Suh would definately be interesting but i doubt it's going to happen...they have far bigger needs.

Somebody should make sure Andy Hart doesn't see THIS mock. Robert Quinn available at 20 and the Pats PASS. Get your resumes ready because on Sunday there might be an opening at PFW if this were the result.

On his special the other night, Parcells claimed Amukamara has short arms, thus making him a difficult fit at corner.

dryheat44 said:

Not five minutes ago I was considering of the wisdom of trying to draft Jordan and Watt in this scenario. It would be an expensive front line, but Wow!

I'm over it now, though. Trading up for Amukamara makes sense, since he can play corner or safety and provide value on punt returns also. I guess if I liked Constanzo more I'd grab him, but I'd be content to wait to see if he makes it to 28.

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That's almost exactly my train of thought. Watt & 17, then package 28 + 74 (and maybe swap 90 for a 4th as a sweetener) and grab Amukamara as your FS at 18.

patchick said:

So let's imagine that Gosselin's sources are accurate. You're sitting at 17 and Jordan, Quinn, Watt, Amukamara, Costanzo etc. are all on the board. What do you do? Personally, I'd be on the phone trying like made to trade up from 28.

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This was my first reaction but those teams will be tough to dislodge given all the players available. You might even have to give up your second 2nd even though that is overpaying.

The comment on the Chargers Jumping us to grab our guy, whoever that is. It just makes too much sense. Not only does Miami get extra picks for a short drop. They are now add more value to their QB choice if that is the way they decide to go. PLUS and its a big plus for them, they get the chance to keep the Pats away from a player they want.

Well...This mock seems a bit weird but who knows. Let's remember that the very best mockers average around a 55% accuracy rate so take even a pro like Gosselin's mock with a grain of salt.

If this scenario does unfold then I'd trade back a few slots from 17 - and sit tight at 28. We'd still get Watt, Quinn, Luiget, Or Amukamara, etc, and still get Watkins at 28.

FWIW McShay just said on ESPN Radio he thinks the Pats will end up with only 1 pick in the first round and sees them making a deal with Dallas to move up to #10 to get Cameron Jordan, he believes the Pats are in love with him.

So as of now both McShay and Gosselin are saying Pats want Jordan.

Edit: my bad, also Mayock had Pats getting Jordan too.


So that's 3 guys who say Pats want Jordan...where there's smoke there's fire right?

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The top 5 QB's are gone. The top 4 OT's are gone. The bounty is gone.

QUOTE=Big Bucks;2528554]Which = everyone trying to trade down, and everyone trying to trade into the late first to get the players dropping.

Should be fun, If true #33 will be worth a bounty for the 2nd day.[/QUOTE]

NEPats1 said:

FWIW McShay just said on ESPN Radio he thinks the Pats will end up with only 1 pick in the first round and sees them making a deal with Dallas to move up to #10 to get Cameron Jordan, he believes the Pats are in love with him.

So as of now both McShay and Gosselin are saying Pats want Jordan.

Edit: my bad, also Mayock had Pats getting Jordan too.


So that's 3 guys who say Pats want Jordan...where there's smoke there's fire right?

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Dallas has the 9th pick, but I suppose Wash is also a possibility at 10. If, as I suspect, they have Jordan head and shoulders above Watt, trading up is a no brainer.

This draft scenario would be a dream come true for Bill. 5 QB's taken with the first 12 picks? Ingram to the rams?(did Stephen Jackson die in the off-season?) If this scenario played out, Bill would have his choice of Watt, Jordan, and Quinn at 16, and could easily package #28 and #74 to move up a few spots to grab Prince or someone else he likes. And that still leaves some great talent on the board at #33, though probably not many trade offers since the run on QB's already took place. I really, really, hope something like this happens. This is the mock I respect the most, and amazingly it has all sorts of great defensive talent unexpectedly dropping!

NEPats1 said:

FWIW McShay just said on ESPN Radio he thinks the Pats will end up with only 1 pick in the first round and sees them making a deal with Dallas to move up to #10 to get Cameron Jordan, he believes the Pats are in love with him.

So as of now both McShay and Gosselin are saying Pats want Jordan.

Edit: my bad, also Mayock had Pats getting Jordan too.


So that's 3 guys who say Pats want Jordan...where there's smoke there's fire right?

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With the Pats, if there is smoke, its usually a smokescreen. This probably means the patriots hate Jordan and are trying to drive up his value so someone else takes him