Reality Arriving...

Deus Irae · Aug 27, 2011

Jet Fan said:
It's not relevant here because both teams have had the same quarterback for the last two years, and the Jets have advanced further both times. So the reality that Brady is better than Sanchez really hasn't been all that important.

Again, your words are that the past is past. Who won what games last year means nothing this year. What matters this year is who wins games this year. With that in mind, and taking the most recent QB displays from when the QBs were playing in real games,

Based upon last year's play, how would you rank the AFCE quarterbacks?

BradyFTW! · Aug 27, 2011

Jet Fan said:
I think there's a big psychological difference going forward into the 2011 season, yes. The Jets have won four playoff games in the last two years, all on the road. The Patriots haven't won any. Sure, they got the bye, so they can say that they made it to the divisional round, but they didn't win any playoff games to get there. I think they'd have a lot more confidence had they actually won a playoff game to get to the divisional round.

By that logic, the team that loses in the Super Bowl should be in great shape the following year. They have a huge psychological edge, since they won 3-4 playoff games before ultimately falling short. Yet, as I'm sure you know, Super Bowl losers typically don't even make the playoffs the next season, and even when they do, they typically take a step back from the previous year.

How can that be, if the premise that you've put out there is true?

townes · Aug 27, 2011

Jet Fan said:
I think there's a big psychological difference going forward into the 2011 season, yes. The Jets have won four playoff games in the last two years, all on the road. The Patriots haven't won any. Sure, they got the bye, so they can say that they made it to the divisional round, but they didn't win any playoff games to get there. I think they'd have a lot more confidence had they actually won a playoff game to get to the divisional round.

Do I think that's in their heads now? It's all speculation, but it has to be a factor. Years ago, they had an air of invincibility in the playoffs. That's all over now.

Hot damn, the patriots can be beat.

Oh well, better to know you could possibly lose than to go over 40 years without winning anything.

townes · Aug 27, 2011

Wow, now that i think about it that's more than 280 years in jet years

BradyFTW! · Aug 27, 2011

Jet Fan said:
Do I think that's in their heads now? It's all speculation, but it has to be a factor. Years ago, they had an air of invincibility in the playoffs. That's all over now.

Of the last 5 Super Bowl winners, 4 of them lost their first playoff game the year before, and the fifth didn't even make the playoffs the prior season. Whatever intangible you're trying to introduce into this debate, the last 5 years of precedent say otherwise. If your goal is to win a SB the following year, you're better off losing in the Wild Card or Divisional Round than the SB or Championship Game.

Look at the Pats' 3 Super Bowls, for example. 2 of them followed non-playoff seasons, and the third followed a SB-winning season. You seem to think that there's some kind of postseason momentum from year to year in the NFL, where you gradually build up and lose progressively later in the playoffs, and then eventually you get over the hump and win it all. I have bad news for you: that doesn't exist.

EDIT: I went back further, and it's actually 10 of the last 12 SB champs that didn't win a playoff game the year before. The two exceptions are the 2004 Patriots and the 2005 Steelers

Deus Irae · Aug 27, 2011

BradyFTW! said:
Of the last 5 Super Bowl winners, 4 of them lost their first playoff game the year before, and the fifth didn't even make the playoffs the prior season. Whatever intangible you're trying to introduce into this debate, the last 5 years of precedent say otherwise. If your goal is to win a SB the following year, you're better off losing in the Wild Card or Divisional Round than the SB or Championship Game.

Look at the Pats' 3 Super Bowls, for example. 2 of them followed non-playoff seasons, and the third followed a SB-winning season. You seem to think that there's some kind of postseason momentum from year to year in the NFL, where you gradually build up and lose progressively later in the playoffs, and then eventually you get over the hump and win it all. I have bad news for you: that doesn't exist.

I could see his point if he was using it to lay context for further discussion. We've done it on this board, with the same notion (3 consecutive losses in playoffs). However, that's not what he's doing.

Oh, well, he's all yours. I'm outta here for now.

jcdavey · Aug 27, 2011

just wanna point out the irony, that the comedian who uses the ***got word the best, is from boston (louis ck)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFloXOuLgA

that dude is hilarious

BradyFTW! · Aug 27, 2011

Deus Irae said:
I could see his point if he was using it to lay context for further discussion. We've done it on this board, with the same notion (3 consecutive losses in playoffs). However, that's not what he's doing.

Oh, well, he's all yours. I'm outta here for now.

People on the board have made that point, but it wasn't valid when they said it either. It's an alarmist factoid that doesn't really mean anything in terms of projecting the future. The last decade-plus of history shows that losing in the AFCCG isn't "better" than losing in the Wild Card round. All that matters is that you're better the next year, and the Pats have improved the team in each of the last two offseasons. If they win it all this year, they'll be continuing a trend that's been going pretty strong since 1999.

Of the last 12 Super Bowl champs, only two (and none of the last 5) won a playoff game the year before. In of itself, I'm not sure how significant that really is, but it definitely kills the notion that losing your first playoff game means you're less in the running the following year, or psychologically traumatized, etc. etc.

Nikolai · Aug 27, 2011

So, let me get this straight. Losing multiple CCGs is cause for celebration and means a Super Bowl is in the offing? The McNabb-era Eagles might disagree.

In any event, registering onto another team's board just to bash the fans, the team, and the city seems like an awful waste of time. He's probably got a lot of it on his hands.

BTTA · Aug 27, 2011

I went to bed worried about NYC and the hurricane, thinking the place is in massive denial given what will really happen when the subways flood and there is a foot of water in Manhattan and Brooklyn. It's going to be a jungle scene when the neighborhoods are evacuated, only the thugs remain to loot and pillage, and a few police to try and stop it. And then when the residents are allowed to return in a week or two, to find their world has been trashed by Mother Nature and by their own kind, it is going to be a miserable scene worse than any B movie ever made.

I went to bed really worried for the people of NYC.

Reading this, I'm now wishing the storm would just wash the whole top of the island out to sea, cleanse the world of that rotting, hateful, toxic mass of humanity, and give us a chance to start over there.

So I'm going to stop reading this thread, as this is not a good place to end up.

Patriot 37 · Aug 27, 2011

betterthanthealternative said:
I went to bed worried about NYC and the hurricane, thinking the place is in massive denial given what will really happen when the subways flood and there is a foot of water in Manhattan and Brooklyn. It's going to be a jungle scene when the neighborhoods are evacuated, only the thugs remain to loot and pillage, and a few police to try and stop it. And then when the residents are allowed to return in a week or two, to find their world has been trashed by Mother Nature and by their own kind, it is going to be a miserable scene worse than any B movie ever made.

I went to bed really worried for the people of NYC.

Reading this, I'm now wishing the storm would just wash the whole top of the island out to sea, cleanse the world of that rotting, hateful, toxic mass of humanity, and give us a chance to start over there.

So I'm going to stop reading this thread, as this is not a good place to end up.

Lighten up you don't sound well.

Also, when your praying for Old Tetsament style destruction of Jets Nation leave Manhattan alone.
No one there is from New York anyway and the ones that are home grown are likely educated enough to be Giants fans.

Rob0729 · Aug 27, 2011

I think one of the biggest differences between Pats and Jets fans, the Pats fans were pissed off in Augst of 2008 that the Pats lost the AFC Championship Game in the 2006 season and lost the Super Bowl in the 2007 season while Jets fans proudly waive their AFC Championship participant banners.

Yes the Pats haven't won a playoff game in three years. In 2008, they went 11-5 without Brady and because of a freak occurance that only happens every 20 years or so, 11 wins didn't guarantee a playoff bearth (ironically, last year 7 wins was enough to get in). Last year the Pats went 14-2 in a rebuilding year.

The Pats have almost totally rebuilt their team from the 2007 season. Only Brady, Welker, Koppen, Mankins, Light, Meriweather, and Wilfork remain as starters from that season. If the Pats fail to win a playoff game this year, then it is something. But the Pats went 14-2 in a rebuilding year were most teams usually go .500 or worse in a year like that.

Rob0729 · Aug 27, 2011

As to the original post, I do find quite a bit of homerism with JI. The funny thing is that they don't realize how homerific they are. When the Pats' starters crush the Bucs in the preseason, it is just a preseason game against a crappy team like the Bucs. When the Jets' offense goes 0-6 on third downs to start the game and then have a 99 yard TD drive against the Bungles in the preseason, it is Sanchez is really making huge strides and might be a top QB this year.

As for the homerphobic and other offensive comments on that board, it is disgraceful. Their site is not for adults only (even then, homerphobic and culturally/sexually/racially insentive comments are not appropriate). I am sure many parents won't police their children going to a Jets related site. Show some maturity and decorum. There is no place for that crap. I don't care about the GFY stuff, but it only shows the mentality of some of the posters that whenever they get backed into a corner of an argument that they cannot even make an effort to debate.

Ironically, I almost got banned from the site for questioning the moderators policing of that crap on their site. I am currently a target of one of the moderators because I was being "arrogant" in pointing out that those types of comments should be banned from the site. All they do on their site is complain about getting banned from this site because our moderators don't put up with that crap.

Lurks_All_Day · Aug 27, 2011

Jet Fan said:
It's a pointless and, frankly, rather puerile discussion.

Sorry.

No, son. This is the very point of a football discussion forum.
Would you like to discuss football?

Fixit · Aug 27, 2011

Has anyone pointed out that the Patriots have been rebuilding the last couple of years and have still won the division handily both times?

I hate to break it to you fella, but the Jets haven't been anywhere close to the Patriots' level as a team. However, at their best they've matched up very well with a Patriots team full of developing players, and perennial playoff underachievers (SD and especially Indy come to mind).

They've done nothing. They've won nothing. So that makes it especially hilarious that you're proclaiming that the Pats "have lost their last three playoff games" and their time is over, when they went 14-and-friggin'-2 last year and won the division by three games, outscored your Jets by over 150 points and only gave up 9 more. In a rebuilding year.

None of this changes the fact that the Jets boards really are the worst I've seen anywhere. Other team boards have their dillholes, of course, but everywhere else they're considered the exception. On JI they're kings.

Patriot 37 · Aug 27, 2011

Rob0729 said:
As to the original post, I do find quite a bit of homerism with JI. The funny thing is that they don't realize how homerific they are. When the Pats' starters crush the Bucs in the preseason, it is just a preseason game against a crappy team like the Bucs. When the Jets' offense goes 0-6 on third downs to start the game and then have a 99 yard TD drive against the Bungles in the preseason, it is Sanchez is really making huge strides and might be a top QB this year.

As for the homerphobic and other offensive comments on that board, it is disgraceful. Their site is not for adults only (even then, homerphobic and culturally/sexually/racially insentive comments are not appropriate). I am sure many parents won't police their children going to a Jets related site. Show some maturity and decorum. There is no place for that crap. I don't care about the GFY stuff, but it only shows the mentality of some of the posters that whenever they get backed into a corner of an argument that they cannot even make an effort to debate.

Ironically, I almost got banned from the site for questioning the moderators policing of that crap on their site. I am currently a target of one of the moderators because I was being "arrogant" in pointing out that those types of comments should be banned from the site. All they do on their site is complain about getting banned from this site because our moderators don't put up with that crap.

I read and sometimes post on JI, here and Colts, Phins and Steelers sites. I sincerly believe that Jets fans are the dumbest fans in the NFL. I realize that may come off as whinning from losing to them in the playoffs, but if some has a good preseason game or Rex says someone doing well in camp they write 3 threads about how great they.

There was a discussion on JI a couple years back comparing David Clowney to Wesley Walker. The funniest one this year was the dozens of posts wanting them to resign S. Ellis. Then as soon as we signed the same posters were laughing how we overpaid for a Jets castoff.

Sivy · Aug 27, 2011

Jet Fan said:
That's not a homophobic remark; it's a generic pejorative. It's 2011.

Besides, I used to live in Massachusetts in the mid-late 80s. I heard worse things there than anywhere else.

Why don't you do it?

ok, that was actually pretty funny...You know I love ya patjew, and you know I hate the jets, but a burn is a burn.

lol...F the Jets though and their fans.

Haley · Aug 27, 2011

Sivy said:
ok, that was actually pretty funny...You know I love ya patjew, and you know I hate the jets, but a burn is a burn.

lol...F the Jets though and their fans.

Actually I found it shockingly brainless that anyone would contradict their own post ... right in the same post.

Lol ... Generic pejorative ... dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on these forums. Jet Fan, you have a knack for using big words to express small ideas.

Fixit · Aug 27, 2011

Sivy said:
ok, that was actually pretty funny...You know I love ya patjew, and you know I hate the jets, but a burn is a burn.

lol...F the Jets though and their fans.

I'm still looking for anything in that post that was even mildly amusing...

Sivy · Aug 27, 2011

Haley said:
Actually I found it shockingly brainless that anyone would contradict their own post.

Lol ... Generic pejorative ... dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on these forums.

oh come on..someone said, that they wished a gay person would kick someones booty..and then someone said "why dont you do it"

thats kind of like a "thats what she said" joke, that just a little jab but funny if you dont take everything so serious all the time.

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