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I don't believe it....

I'll take that as your just posting for the sake of it without any reasoning to rebut my post.

I believe he could help the team so i would do it. I also believe the team can play well without him.
 
Im posting my opinion....no,IMO, the Patriots will not do anything even remotely tangential to what is suggested in this thread. I'll stick to that. I can't remember the last time BB traded for a player on another team who has ZERO experience with BB's defensive schemes, and inserted him in the starting lineup, which is what I'm guessing YOU are proposing. Otherwise,if it's just a depth move then any kind of trade makes ZERO SENSE since there's a plethora of free agents out there who can be signed without any picks being given away. The last time BB traded picks for a backup in season was...uh....NEVER.
 
Im posting my opinion....no,IMO, the Patriots will not do anything even remotely tangential to what is suggested in this thread. I'll stick to that. I can't remember the last time BB traded for a player on another team who has ZERO experience with BB's defensive schemes, and inserted him in the starting lineup, which is what I'm guessing YOU are proposing. Otherwise,if it's just a depth move then any kind of trade makes ZERO SENSE since there's a plethora of free agents out there who can be signed without any picks being given away. The last time BB traded picks for a backup in season was...uh....NEVER.

Albert Haynesworth... comes to mind.

I would also like to know of any FA OLB's who are equal or better value than Curry.

Your opinion that he wouldn't help the team is fine. My original annoyance was that somehow me wanting him on this team was panicking or pesamistic. Just because we started 2-0 doesn't mean we can't make the team better.
 
The Seahawks suck and he can't get on the field. What makes anyone think he will turn it around now? This is like Jets fans thinking that Aaron Maybin was going to join the Jets and turn into a first round pick caliber player again. Granted Curry is a far better player than Maybin which isn't saying all that much.

In fairness to Curry, he has been good at times. He is a smart player, but he sucks in coverage and isn't the pass rusher people thought he would be.

I doubt the Pats would consider this because his $5 million salary is guaranteed next year. He is a two down player right now because he is so bad in coverage. He isn't a guy you want in your sub packages and the Pats use a lot of sub packages. I don't see this happening.
 
Let me know when someone cuts a safety. We'll be all over that. :)
 
With his athletic ability, the Seahawks eagerness to part ways with him screams out:

"Football is not important to him" in my mind. You can just say he's sick of losing. He's been there two years, and Wake Forest was not exactly a winning juggernaut.

If football is not important to him, BB would pick up on in about two sentences and he would never fit in here.

Of course, maybe I am overestimating the ability of the Seahawks coaching staff to get something more out of him than they have.
 
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Albert Haynesworth... comes to mind.

When you ignore the fact that he's primarily been on the field as the DT in a 4man front where his job is to get after the QB you're pretty spot on.


edit: wait, he did that in TEN. Nevermind.
 
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The Seahawks suck and he can't get on the field. What makes anyone think he will turn it around now? This is like Jets fans thinking that Aaron Maybin was going to join the Jets and turn into a first round pick caliber player again. Granted Curry is a far better player than Maybin which isn't saying all that much.

OTOH, the 0-16 Lions released Leigh Bodden, so you never know. . . .
 
Albert Haynesworth... comes to mind.

I would also like to know of any FA OLB's who are equal or better value than Curry.

Your opinion that he wouldn't help the team is fine. My original annoyance was that somehow me wanting him on this team was panicking or pesamistic. Just because we started 2-0 doesn't mean we can't make the team better.

I guess I was unclear...I mean in season...with the season underway...when is the last time BB traded a draft pick/picks for a player who started...I can't find one instance.

You misconstrued WHY I posted what I did earlier also...it had NOTHING to do with panic or pessimism...it had to do with the action of trading a draft pick, in season,for a player that has fallen out of favor on another team...I feel there is about zero chance of this happening.Sure the roster can be improved,added to,tweaked...whatever...but trading a draft pick at this point, in season...I have to see it to believe, like I said, I have never seen BB do it.
 
He is a smart player

No, he's not. The problem with him is that he's constantly out of position and has no understanding of the playbook, and has made zero strides in becoming a more aware, intelligent football player since he was drafted. He might be a passable backup in this league based on talent alone but he's never going to be a star.
 
I guess I was unclear...I mean in season...with the season underway...when is the last time BB traded a draft pick/picks for a player who started...I can't find one instance.

2010 - Branch
2009 - Prescott Burgess
 
2010 - Branch
2009 - Prescott Burgess

Burgess never started, and the Patriots didn't actually end up giving the Ratbirds anything for him.
 
No, he's not. The problem with him is that he's constantly out of position and has no understanding of the playbook, and has made zero strides in becoming a more aware, intelligent football player since he was drafted. He might be a passable backup in this league based on talent alone but he's never going to be a star.


From what I have read and seen about him (let's face it how much do any of us know about what goes on in Seattle), it isn't his mental ability that makes him bad in coverage, it is his coverage skills in general. I might be wrong but I don't think it his lack of knowledge of the playbook but his inability to keep up with the slot receiver and/or fight it out with the TE which allows him to get burnt.

I don't dispute that he is awful in coverage. Some LBs who suck in coverage is because they are dumb and some LBs who suck in coverage because they lack the physical skill sets.
 
Pats did trade for Derrick Burgess before but that move backfired. They likely won't be making such a move again, especially if Curry's salary is going to be 5M as some are saying.
 
He plays exactly the same position than our best (tied with Vince) defensive player in the team
 
I stand corrected...how I missed Branch being traded for last October must be some kind of mental block...if I remember right it was for a 4th round pick...the loss of Moss created a huge hole in the offense AND Branch was already familiar with the offense. Aaron Curry may as well be Jeff Bridges in Starman..zero familiarity with the Patriots D.
 
Since the Seahawks are my favorite NFC team, I think I can shed some light on this subject:

Curry is more or less a player who was overdrafted. SEA would have traded down in 09, but since there was no rookie wage scale at the time (no team was willing to commit #4 overall money since no one jumped out as a can't miss prospect), they had no choice but to the make the pick. At the time, they were operating under the assumption that the 2008 season (which was marred by many injuries) was just an abberation. Tim Ruskell (the GM at the time) felt that the team's playoff window was still open. Hasselbeck was their starter (eliminating the need for a QB) and it was assumed that Walter Jones would return to full health (eliminating LT from the discussion). Thus, Curry (being the "BPA") was chosen.

Its hard to say that Curry is a flat-out bust, but it isn't a stretch to say that he has underwhelmed. Alot of people in the Seahawks fanbase expected the talent to match the selection spot (and rightly so), but that hasn't been the case.

Curry's career has been essentially defined by his physical prowess, which allowed him to overwhelm college-level players and make plays. In hindsight, it would have made more sense to peg Curry as a mid-lower 1st rounder simply based on potential.

Having said that, it is very rare to find ILBs or 4-3 LBs who are worthy of Top 10 or Top 5 picks (I am assuming there are several examples that disprove this, but I can't think of any names right now) based on the fact that pass rushers hold more perceived value.

As far as Curry goes, he isn't a bad character guy (Tim Ruskell's one flaw was that he valued "character" over talent). The coaching staff (including Jim Mora's staff in 09) tried using him all over the place in order to tap into the play-making abilities they saw at WF. They tried him at the 4-3 OLB, 4-3 DE, the LEO (which is more or less a modified OLB position), and DT on passing downs. None of which have yielded much in the way of results.

Since the end of the lockout, Pete Carroll has been cutting or modifying the contracts of players who he deemed to be overpaid (and rightly so) that were leftovers from Ruskell's regime. He's only willing to pay top dollar to "his" guys (Rice, Miller, Okung, Earl Thomas) or reward players from the previous regime who have earned it (David Hawthorne, Brandon Mebane, etc.) Since Curry was not Pete Carroll's pick, it made little sense for him to be paying 10-15 million (or whatever) per year for a guy who has not made much of an impact nor loved up to his billing.

To sum it up; Curry is not a terrible player. He is simply the victim of draft hype and a new regime. If I were Bill, a 4th or 5th Rounder would be more than fair to see if he can unlock the Curry that we all saw at WF.

P.S. Sorry if this was a little long. Just wanted to give a you guys better perspective.
 
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I stand corrected...how I missed Branch being traded for last October must be some kind of mental block...if I remember right it was for a 4th round pick...the loss of Moss created a huge hole in the offense AND Branch was already familiar with the offense. Aaron Curry may as well be Jeff Bridges in Starman..zero familiarity with the Patriots D.

But Starman could learn!

[Starman is driving the car, and speeds across a recently turned red light, causing crashes for the other motorists]
Starman: Okay?
Jenny Hayden: Okay? Are you crazy? You almost got us killed! You said you watched me, you said you knew the rules!
Starman: I do know the rules.
Jenny Hayden: Oh, for your information pal, that was a *yellow* light back there!
Starman: I watched you very carefully. Red light stop, green light go, yellow light go very fast.

Ok, maybe not the best example.
 
Since the Seahawks are my favorite NFC team, I think I can shed some light on this subject:

Curry is more or less a player who was overdrafted. SEA would have traded down in 09, but since there was no rookie wage scale at the time (no team was willing to commit #4 overall money since no one jumped out as a can't miss prospect), they had no choice but to the make the pick. At the time, they were operating under the assumption that the 2008 season (which was marred by many injuries) was just an abberation. Tim Ruskell (the GM at the time) felt that the team's playoff window was still open. Hasselbeck was their starter (eliminating the need for a QB) and it was assumed that Walter Jones would return to full health (eliminating LT from the discussion). Thus, Curry (being the "BPA") was chosen.

Its hard to say that Curry is a flat-out bust, but it isn't a stretch to say that he has underwhelmed. Alot of people in the Seahawks fanbase expected the talent to match the selection spot (and rightly so), but that hasn't been the case.

Curry's career has been essentially defined by his physical prowess, which allowed him to overwhelm college-level players and make plays. In hindsight, it would have made more sense to peg Curry as a mid-lower 1st rounder simply based on potential.

Having said that, it is very rare to find ILBs or 4-3 LBs who are worthy of Top 10 or Top 5 picks (I am assuming there are several examples that disprove this, but I can't think of any names right now) based on the fact that pass rushers hold more perceived value.

As far as Curry goes, he isn't a bad character guy (Tim Ruskell's one flaw was that he valued "character" over talent). The coaching staff (including Jim Mora's staff in 09) tried using him all over the place in order to tap into the play-making abilities they saw at WF. They tried him at the 4-3 OLB, 4-3 DE, the LEO (which is more or less a modified OLB position), and DT on passing downs. None of which have yielded much in the way of results.

Since the end of the lockout, Pete Carroll has been cutting or modifying the contracts of players who he deemed to be overpaid (and rightly so) that were leftovers from Ruskell's regime. He's only willing to pay top dollar to "his" guys (Rice, Miller, Okung, Earl Thomas) or reward players from the previous regime who have earned it (David Hawthorne, Brandon Mebane, etc.) Since Curry was not Pete Carroll's pick, it made little sense for him to be paying 10-15 million (or whatever) per year for a guy who has not made much of an impact nor loved up to his billing.

To sum it up; Curry is not a terrible player. He is simply the victim of draft hype and a new regime. If I were Bill, a 4th or 5th Rounder would be more than fair to see if he can unlock the Curry that we all saw at WF.

P.S. Sorry if this was a little long. Just wanted to give a you guys better perspective.

Good job on the explanation. If he can't cut it in a 4-3 Leo defense (The Pete Carrol Defense) aka semi modified 43U D, he isn't going to cut it with us.
 
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