Rex Ryan Announces He is going back to the Ground and Pound

He looks like he pounded up too much ground thru his gullet. He should stop writing checks that his team can't cash. His Franchez quarterback is looking more and more like an average quarterback who has made a living from the defense. He makes too many stupid mistakes. On the Pats he'd be 4th on the quarterback depth chart. Sexy Rexy ain't so sexy anymore.

Is that some sort of restaurant?

BradyFTW! said:

That's what happens when you have one phenomenal OL (Mangold), one good one (Ferguson, who has to be one of the most overrated players in the league), one reasonably good one (Moore), a couple of JAGs (Slauson, Hunter), and **** for depth. The Pats' seventh best lineman is comparable to the Jets' fourth. Everyone talks about your line injuries, but the Pats are down three starters from last year, and two from what they were supposed to have going into this season. Depth matters, and the Pats seem to have a philosophy of not letting their starters go until they have someone who they know can do the job (Vollmer > Kaczur, Connolly/Waters > Neal, re-signing Light and Mankins even as they drafted Solder...). Even then, I wish the Pats had been more proactive in addressing line depth, so you can imagine how I feel about the Jets' philosophy. They seemed to just assume that Mangold would never miss a snap and that two of Ducasse, Slauson, an Hunter would both become capable players.

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Agree with most of your post, except two things. One, D'Brick is not overrated, he's one of the best LT in the NFL. Most 'experts' and scouts have put him in the top 5. If you think being in the top 5 is overrated, than by all means you are entitled to your opinion.

I don't think they rely on Mangold too much. Personally, I think they asked Callahan if people like Ducasse, and Hunter could step in right away and do a good enough job that they wouldn't have to waste money under the cap to fill out the line more, and Callahan gave his nod of approval. Sadly, they aren't doing a good job and its rearing its ugly head.

Rob0729 said:

Just in time for the Pats game, Ryan said he will go back to the Ground and Pound approach with a porous o-line and no legitimate lead RB.

On second thought: Jets will go back to “ground and pound” approach | ProFootballTalk

I am sure opposing teams are shaking in their boots of the prospect of Shonn Greene and 39.25 YPG and 3.1 YPC average. Jets fans better hope he is playing a Rope-A-Dope with Belichick because I think the only chance the Jets have to win this game is on the arm of Sanchez and hope the Good Sanchez shows up and not the crappy one. If the Pats can shutdown Darren McFadden (except for one 41 yard run), they certainly shutdown Shonn Greene.

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I know you only think the Patriots are the greatest and the bestest at everything, but I'll use a line you use every day.

The Jets OL and the running game isn't as bad as you might think...

Jets have struggled on their OL because Mangold has been out and they've had a rookie who has been with the team for 3 weeks playing in his place, quite different from a multiple year veteran who knows the system, and Mangold is the leader of the OL in terms of line calls and communication, he is the rock, much like Mankins is the rock for the Pats.

Looks like Mangold is back last week, I thought he would be, he nearly returned last week, but another week was probably the best decision.

The depth also took a hit with the loss of Turner, and Mulligan as the blocking TE has struggled.

The team is also trying to build chemistry in the passing game with 2 new WR's, and emphasized this in training camp, so the running game took a hit.

Running the ball requires repetitions and execution, couple in no off-season, injuries on the OL, and regression at TE, and an emphasis to be more balanced, the running game has taken a hit.

It makes sense for the Jets to try and recommit to running the ball, but it will still be a more balanced attack, and considering how bad the Pats are on D, I'm pretty sure they'll look to be balanced this week as well, and will look to exploit the holes in the Patriot back 7. Mayo being out will also help the Jets get the running game back on track

Rob0729 said:

There is a difference of what he accused me of and what I am doing. McFadden had a subpar game with that 41 yard run, you take away that run and it is an abismal day. If McFadden had rushed for his average of 131 yards and I took away that one run and still had 90 yards and 4.1 YPC, then it would be what I am accused of. But even when a defense is a top defense, it can breakdown and give up a big play in a game.


Bottomline, McFadden was completely non-effective on the ground the entire game other than that play. He got those yards on that play and I am not minimize that. But again that was about 15 seconds or so and the Raiders had the ball for 33 minutes and 20 seconds. So he was ineffective on the ground for 33 minutes. That is worthy of pointing out.

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I love it when you take away plays that happened because they were big plays, you do this a lot to help yourself feel better.

The Patriots are giving up 500 yds a game, and did it again against the Raiders.

Spin it all you want, the Pats are awful right now on defense.

he is back to .....sucking down ground beef and and sucking down snacks by the pound

JetFan1 said:

Jets have struggled on their OL because Mangold has been out and they've had a rookie who has been with the team for 3 weeks playing in his place, quite different from a multiple year veteran who knows the system, and Mangold is the leader of the OL in terms of line calls and communication, he is the rock, much like Mankins is the rock for the Pats.

Looks like Mangold is back last week, I thought he would be, he nearly returned last week, but another week was probably the best decision.

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First of all, being "the rock" isn't Mankins' job. He's the best guy on that line, but not "the rock." That title belongs to Dan Koppen. Oh wait. He's on IR. I guess it is possible to not completely suck with your starting center out!

Second, it sounds like Mangold wasn't even close to playing last week. Mike Lombardi said he looked like crap when he tried warming up. There were reports that he was limping and grimacing through drills. That's not a guy who was close to playing, and not a guy who is going to be anywhere near 100% this weekend.

Sciz said:

First of all, being "the rock" isn't Mankins' job. He's the best guy on that line, but not "the rock." That title belongs to Dan Koppen. Oh wait. He's on IR. I guess it is possible to not completely suck with your starting center out!

Second, it sounds like Mangold wasn't even close to playing last week. Mike Lombardi said he looked like crap when he tried warming up. There were reports that he was limping and grimacing through drills. That's not a guy who was close to playing, and not a guy who is going to be anywhere near 100% this weekend.

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No, Mankins is the rock of that line.

I kind of figured somebody would read right over what I said. Connolly is nothing special, but he's a solid veteran and knows the system and has been able to step in and do an adequate job, the OL still has struggles and did as much in the pre-season. It doesn't even compare to a rookie C, who has been with the team for 3 weeks, 2 weeks before his first start with the team, which is exactly what the Jets have been dealing with in Baxter. Baxter may have a solid future and the team may like him as a depth player, but starting as a rookie in two weeks is a tall task, especially against a defensive front like the Ravens.

Mike Lombardi is a Patriot buttswab, and anything he says about either team should be taken with a grain of salt. Mangold said himself he could have played, and the fact he practiced today in pads tells you he didn't have any setbacks when he warmed up on Sunday.

Mangold has a very high pain threshold. If it's possible to play, he'll play. That said, the folker may well put himself out for weeks to come if as is quite possible he exacerbates the injury.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Mangold has a very high pain threshold. If it's possible to play, he'll play. That said, the folker may well put himself out for weeks to come if as is quite possible he exacerbates the injury.

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Mangold is one tough mofo, absolutel truth. An OL can deal with an ankle sprain much easier than a skill position player can who relies on explosion and his legs to perform.

JetFan1 said:

I love it when you take away plays that happened because they were big plays, you do this a lot to help yourself feel better.

The Patriots are giving up 500 yds a game, and did it again against the Raiders.

Spin it all you want, the Pats are awful right now on defense.

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Did you even watch the game? I bet you didn't realize that the Raiders were behind by three scores in the 4th when they racked a bunch of that yardage up. Garbage time. 180 yards.

upstater1 said:

Did you even watch the game? I bet you didn't realize that the Raiders were behind by three scores in the 4th when they racked a bunch of that yardage up. Garbage time. 180 yards.

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Ahhh yes, the garbage time spin.

Yes, I watched the game, the Raiders had 264 yds in the first half. The Pats didn't blow out the Raiders, the Raiders were in the game until the end, and down by 7 at the half. Nice try though.

JetFan1 said:

Ahhh yes, the garbage time spin.

Yes, I watched the game, the Raiders had 264 yds in the first half. The Pats didn't blow out the Raiders, the Raiders were in the game until the end, and down by 7 at the half. Nice try though.

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You've made some valid points in this thread, but D'Bust is overrated.

JetFan1 said:

Ahhh yes, the garbage time spin.

Yes, I watched the game, the Raiders had 264 yds in the first half. The Pats didn't blow out the Raiders, the Raiders were in the game until the end, and down by 7 at the half. Nice try though.

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Being behind after the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter is being in the game til the end?

JetFan1 said:

No, Mankins is the rock of that line.

I kind of figured somebody would read right over what I said. Connolly is nothing special, but he's a solid veteran and knows the system and has been able to step in and do an adequate job, the OL still has struggles and did as much in the pre-season. It doesn't even compare to a rookie C, who has been with the team for 3 weeks, 2 weeks before his first start with the team, which is exactly what the Jets have been dealing with in Baxter. Baxter may have a solid future and the team may like him as a depth player, but starting as a rookie in two weeks is a tall task, especially against a defensive front like the Ravens.

Mike Lombardi is a Patriot buttswab, and anything he says about either team should be taken with a grain of salt. Mangold said himself he could have played, and the fact he practiced today in pads tells you he didn't have any setbacks when he warmed up on Sunday.

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What does Mankins do that makes him "the rock"? For Mangold, you cited line calls and communication. Mankins doesn't do that. He just does what he's told. Being really good at doing what he's told doesn't give him "rock" status.

Of course there's a difference between a 3rd week rookie and a 6th year vet. The difference is that the Pats actually have some depth on the OL. Don't complain to us about injuries, because the Pats are down two starters right now, and you don't see us throwing a fit about it.

I don't doubt that Mangold could've played. I do, however, seriously doubt how effective he would've been. Lombardi was an NFL executive for about 15 years. Don't act like he doesn't know what he's looking at.

The Jets don't have a single RB averaging over 3.5 YPC. They sucked at running the ball before Mangold got hurt, and they suck even worse now.

Ground and pound? Only if the Jets resign Emerson Boozer from the 1970s teams.

Maybe Rex was referring to Ground Round restaurants; fat pig that he is.

JetFan1 said:

I love it when you take away plays that happened because they were big plays, you do this a lot to help yourself feel better.

The Patriots are giving up 500 yds a game, and did it again against the Raiders.

Spin it all you want, the Pats are awful right now on defense.

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LOL! You have spent a ton of time spinning why the Jets' running game doesn't suck when it does and then turn around and spew this.

BradyFTW! said:

The Jets don't have a single RB averaging over 3.5 YPC. They sucked at running the ball before Mangold got hurt, and they suck even worse now.

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That's not true. Shonn Greene has sucked all year because he is psychic and knew Mangold was going down and he was just preparing the Jets fans for life without Mangold. He was doing the Jets fans a favor.

Seriously, the Jets were stupid to gamble on Greene. The guy was never that good. He had a few good games the playoffs of 2009 and has been living off that reputation since. He was never a guy who proved he was able to be a primary back. LT is too old to be a traditional back and rush more than 10-15 times a game.

"Ground and pound" ... "Sexy and Rexy" ... "New York and Jets" -- all words used together but have no logical connection.