Help me with the Chandler Jones love

I do woner if a few of the sagacious drafters leak out word on some "super looking" guys that are going no place in the NFL in hopes the less experienced drafters fall for the bait. I think we might be talking one of those guys here.

Seems like a lot of people were down on Jones, before the draft, but after the first 20 votes on how the pats did in the draft, (on the patsfans main message board) they got 18-A's and 2 B's

HMMMMMM......?

brady199 said:

Seems like a lot of people were down on Jones, before the draft, but after the first 20 votes on how the pats did in the draft, (on the patsfans main message board) they got 18-A's and 2 B's

HMMMMMM......?

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What's the opposite of sour grapes... sweet turd? Delicious mold?

I'll just suck it up, eat my words, and admit I was wrong!

Hopefully, Chandler Jones will develop, over the course of time, into the next Willie McGinest.

ATippett56 said:

I'll just suck it up, eat my words, and admit I was wrong!

Hopefully, Chandler Jones will develop, over the course of time, into the next Willie McGinest.

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We could of passed on him and I would of been ok with it. To be honest I didn't watch 1 Syracuse this year and his film has very limited access. He's the pick, I'm on board with the pick because Belichick might know a little bit more about football than I do I'm really excited to see if he can be the player they are hoping for. Looks nice coming off the edge, and he is a good run stopper by most accounts and that is probably a big part of what BB likes about him.

Patriot Missile said:

We could of passed on him and I would of been ok with it. To be honest I didn't watch 1 Syracuse this year and his film has very limited access. He's the pick, I'm on board with the pick because Belichick might know a little bit more about football than I do I'm really excited to see if he can be the player they are hoping for. Looks nice coming off the edge, and he is a good run stopper by most accounts and that is probably a big part of what BB likes about him.

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I initially envision Chandler Jones as a defensive end in the 4-2-5 sub package.

4-2-5 Sub Package

Front 4

Jones-Fanene-Pryor-Carter

Linebackers

Hightower-Mayo

Of the course of time, Chandler Jones will hopefully develop into a 3-4 outside linebacker in the elephant role.

He certainly does seem to have a perfect NFL body. Especially if he can put on some more weight. I hope Mayock is dead on with this guy.

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brady199 said:

Seems like a lot of people were down on Jones, before the draft, but after the first 20 votes on how the pats did in the draft, (on the patsfans main message board) they got 18-A's and 2 B's

HMMMMMM......?

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Looks like a combination of approving of the trade-up for Hightower (incl. me), and
the usual IBBWT lemmings who would give an A grade to the way Bill wiped his arse this morning.

Would you have picked Jason Pierre Paul last year? The Giants took a chance on measurables of a 1 year guy from Haiti via Florida -- and got themselves a beast. Jones comes w/ similar measurables, good motor and good pedigree. Of course, he is a projection. Who isn't?

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

I say bravo!

I don't follow CFB much, I heard Jones started the year with a knee injury. If true this could explain a lack of explosiveness and so on. We shall see.

It's not often BB moves up to get a player. So it seems he either really likes these guys, the depth is such he doesn't care about the 3rd and 4th, o the hates this draft class.

Rob0729 said:

For what it is worth, the NFL Network says the Pats really really like Jones.

Citing a source with knowledge of the situation, NFL Network's Stacey Dales reports that the Patriots "really, really like" Syracuse DE Chandler Jones.

Dales is currently in Foxboro, so this is a step up from your normal speculation. Jones is projected to come off the board in the middle of round one, but New England doesn't pick until No. 27. They'd likely need to move up, at least, a half-dozen picks to land Jones' services. Skyrocketing up draft boards over the last few days, Jones would help replace the snaps of free agent Andre Carter.

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Recent news on Chandler Jones - College Player - Rotoworld.com

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Somebody nailed it!

mrscruff said:

Somebody nailed it!

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My trust in Stacey Dales just went up a few points today. She's my new Adam Schefter

PatsFanStnfrd said:

Would you have picked Jason Pierre Paul last year? The Giants took a chance on measurables of a 1 year guy from Haiti via Florida -- and got themselves a beast. Jones comes w/ similar measurables, good motor and good pedigree. Of course, he is a projection. Who isn't?

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

I say bravo!

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Yeah, I think JPP had something to do with this pick, but JPP doesn't have the ability to stand up like Jones does. Jones' versatility and his upside caused the love affair. Cuse would drop him into coverage here and there, and while he isn't quick in space, he is accustomed to standing up. Pair that with the body type of BB's wet dreams, and you've got the 21st pick in the 2012 draft.

P.S. No, I wouldn't have picked JPP last year because the Giants already held his rights.

WhiZa said:

My trust in Stacey Dales just went up a few points today. She's my new Adam Schefter

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You mean he right?

lostjumper said:

You mean he right?

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Stacey Dales is a woman, she played college ball for Oklahoma and was an all-american.

Snake Eyes said:

No, not everything can be coached, far from it, if that was the case you wouldnt see so many washouts in the league. Also, feel free to look up how many players with elite length have never amounted to anything.

Reaction time combined with explosiveness, "Launch" as Grid would say, is one of THE most critical attributes in a player, if Jones doesnt have that he'll stink. If a player has "length" in addition to that, great, without it he can have arms like a Gibbon and it won't matter.

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He does not have that. He doesn't have top end speed either. See the Pitt game when he gets run down from behind by an offensive tackle after an int. I do not see any of the athletic ability I keep hearing about. He put up avg numbers against avg competition, and his explosion measureables prove why. How is he going to become a disruptive force against competition that is night and day above what he faced?

I see a less explosive Shawn Crable. Crable had better measureables, and he had better production against much better competition (Big 10 OL). Jones was an avg player in college. Where is the evidence he will be a good player in the NFL?

iapatsfan said:

He does not have that. He doesn't have top end speed either. See the Pitt game when he gets run down from behind by an offensive tackle after an int. I do not see any of the athletic ability I keep hearing about. He put up avg numbers against avg competition, and his explosion measureables prove why. How is he going to become a disruptive force against competition that is night and day above what he faced?

I see a less explosive Shawn Crable. Crable had better measureables, and he had better production against much better competition (Big 10 OL). Jones was an avg player in college. Where is the evidence he will be a good player in the NFL?

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Are you sure Crable had better measureables? The guy was 6'5 243 his weight and strength were highly questionable to put it mildly, Crable was available in the 3rd round for a reason even with that production in the big 10.

West Philly Patriot said:

Are you sure Crable had better measureables? The guy was 6'5 243 his weight and strength were highly questionable to put it mildly, Crable was available in the 3rd round for a reason even with that production in the big 10.

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Crable had more BP reps (29 vs 22 I believe), much better 40 and 10 yd split. Most importantly, better production against much better competition. Where is the evidence that shows Chandler Jones can produce as a pass rusher? I don't put everything on measureables, but when you combine a lack of measureable explosion with minimal production against questionable competition I have serious doubts. So far the only reason we have to believe this guy has a "high ceiling" is because analysts tells us he does. There is nothing from his measureables or production that backs this assumption.

iapatsfan said:

Crable had more BP reps (29 vs 22 I believe), much better 40 and 10 yd split. Most importantly, better production against much better competition. Where is the evidence that shows Chandler Jones can produce as a pass rusher? I don't put everything on measureables, but when you combine a lack of measureable explosion with minimal production against questionable competition I have serious doubts. So far the only reason we have to believe this guy has a "high ceiling" is because analysts tells us he does. There is nothing from his measureables or production that backs this assumption.

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He weighed less than Aaron Hernandez, his 40 better be fast. Crable is not stronger than Chandler Jones regardless of the BP, thats just the tip of the iceberg. Chandler jones has really long arms which effect the BP numbers, but look at their Vertical numbers. They display explosion and lower body strength. Jones makes Crable look like the weakling he was. Crable's vertical directly reflects his terrible lower body strength, and he never passed the eye test in that area.

Jones: 35.5
Crable: 28.0

Jones and Crable are a bad comparison, Jones gives us a run stopping presence in both fronts out of the box. What aspect of Crable's game was NFL ready?

lostjumper said:

You mean he right?

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