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RFA Emmanuel Sanders visits Pats 3/16; signs offer sheet 4/10, sheet matched 4/14


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RFA Emmanuel Sanders visits Pats 3/16; signs offer sheet 4/10

I expect at least one more Super Bowl victory with Tom. We are just right there and luck hasn't been with us. If we get luck back on our side, we can have quick SB victories. If our D can get into the teens by rankings, we are golden and the only way we don't win the SB or don't get to it is because we beat ourselves. This team wants a SB bad. They have been so close. It's only a matter of time until more lombardi(s) come our way.
 
Cap, we could take the boom or bust strategy of the redskins. They get to the playoffs every 10 years or so.

The reality is that we were one play away 3 times in the past 8 years. Sure, that is more frustrating in SOME sense that having a team like Cleveland, Cinci or Washington. Our 2007 team was a play away from being the best team to EVER play in the nil.

So, you are free to call the last 8 years a waste. Such an attitude is a Boston tradition. The team chooses to be proud of a team that has won or tied for the division every year since 2001. It has been in a position to compete for the SB every year. The New England Patriots have been among the top 3 teams in the NFL over the past 8 years; that is not a waste.

In the end, you are free to call all teams that don't win the Super Bowl failures. It is a choice that you have.

As someone once said, I'm not concerned with the other 31 teams.

We have wasted the past 8 years of Tom Brady. Doesn't that failure concern even you just a little?
 
Bill should've drafted the Charlie Weis-coached Golden Tate instead of Cunningham, who most likely
would've been available where Taylor Price was taken. But if he wasn't, no biggie; Everson Griffen
& Corey Wootton were both still available.

With Golden Tate already here, this whole wasting of a 3rd-rounder on Sanders would be unnecessary.

The problem with "If they had it to do over scenarios" is no one does, in football or in life.

Comparing realistically to any teams 2nd 3rd 4th round hall with the same picks, Gronkowski, Spikes and Hernandez is pretty damn good.
 
Can anyone explain to me why we would only offer Sanders a 1 yr contract?

If there was a handshake agreement in place for a long term deal like some are suggesting, why wouldn't we sign him to that straight up? Wouldn't that be harder for Pitt. to then match?

This signing doesn't make much sense to me to give up a 3rd for 1 yr of an average slot receiver.
 
The open question is simple for PITT. Is Sanders worth $2.5M and a 3rd round pick for one year of play. PITT has no assurance at all that signing him will result is a long-term deal. They couldn't make a deal before free agency. There is no reason that they can now. If they match, Sanders will be in his contract year, looking for a big 2014 payday.

Perhaps the patriots have an agreement for a long-term deal, maybe not. A one yar deal seems to be in Sanders' best interest.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. By offering a one year deal, the Patriots are putting the Steelers in a tough spot by not letting Sanders easily go back to them for the RFA tender. The Steelers now have to decide if he is worth the additional money for one year or if they would rather the 3rd round pick. (My guess is they let him walk)

The kicker is that if the Steelers do match, Sanders would then become a UFA next year, giving the Pats a chance at him again next free agency (which wouldn't have happened if they offered a 2-4 yr deal and the Steelers matched it). People questioned it at first, but offering the one year deal is a pretty brilliant strategic move by BB especially if the Pats can resign him long-term as well.
 
Cap, we could take the boom or bust strategy of the redskins. They get to the playoffs every 10 years or so.

The reality is that we were one play away 3 times in the past 8 years. Sure, that is more frustrating in SOME sense that having a team like Cleveland, Cinci or Washington. Our 2007 team was a play away from being the best team to EVER play in the nil.

So, you are free to call the last 8 years a waste. Such an attitude is a Boston tradition. The team chooses to be proud of a team that has won or tied for the division every year since 2001. It has been in a position to compete for the SB every year. The New England Patriots have been among the top 3 teams in the NFL over the past 8 years; that is not a waste.

In the end, you are free to call all teams that don't win the Super Bowl failures. It is a choice that you have.

Put Brady on the Redskins over the past 10 years, and take him off the Patriots, and the Redskins are competing for Lombardis while the Patriots are looking for an RGIII.

The past 8 years has clearly been a waste, from the perspective of what could have been. I'd think acknowledging that would be completely noncontroversial.
 
As someone once said, I'm not concerned with the other 31 teams.

We have wasted the past 8 years of Tom Brady. Doesn't that failure concern even you just a little?

So you were fine going with essentially a third down back/special teamer, UDFA that was loading sacks of coffee beans, a 7th round pick and the last pick in the second round as our receivers? Because that's the only combination that has ever won us a Super Bowl.

All smurfs except Givens too. He was 6' even.
 
And that would better better than 95% of the rest of the league.

Because when youve got a once in a lifetime QB and HC the objective isnt to to better than the other 31 teams in the league.

Almost = Excellence
 
Because when youve got a once in a lifetime QB and HC the objective isnt to to better than the other 31 teams in the league.

Almost = Excellence

Your plan seems to involve influencing some sort of league expansion...
 
Cap, we could take the boom or bust strategy of the redskins. They get to the playoffs every 10 years or so.

The reality is that we were one play away 3 times in the past 8 years. Sure, that is more frustrating in SOME sense that having a team like Cleveland, Cinci or Washington. Our 2007 team was a play away from being the best team to EVER play in the nil.

So, you are free to call the last 8 years a waste. Such an attitude is a Boston tradition. The team chooses to be proud of a team that has won or tied for the division every year since 2001. It has been in a position to compete for the SB every year. The New England Patriots have been among the top 3 teams in the NFL over the past 8 years; that is not a waste.

In the end, you are free to call all teams that don't win the Super Bowl failures. It is a choice that you have.

The absolute biggest mistake made on this board in regards to moves in FA and evaluating the end of the year is to fall back to comparing this situation with that of the other 31 teams in the league. The other 31 teams do not have arguable the greatest head coach and quarterback of all time in the same building at the SAME TIME!

The biggest farce on this board is to compare any desire to make moves in FA to being akin to the Redskins because look how they turned out. We aren't the Redskins we have the best QB and coach in the league. You cannot use the results of a crap franchise when it adds big time free agents to what would happen to this team when it adds big time free agents they are entirely different circumstances.

This comparison to trash franchises and other teams also extends to mocking anyone that thinks the last 8 years have been a failure because "lol no one else haz moar playoff appearances and losses in championship games and super bowls then us, lol u must be a Jets fan". It's time to realize this team is in a unique position with unique advantages that are about to go away when TB12 calls it quits. Again he took a huge reduction in salary when scrubs like Joe Flacco are breaking the bank to make the team better and again we've gone to Walmart to use that money instead of getting him 2-3 impact guys we get 6-7 over the hill guys, that if all 7 hit will make BB look like a genius. But when 3 get cut, and 1-2 is good and 1 is a jag he will end up looking like a fool again.
 
The absolute biggest mistake made on this board in regards to moves in FA and evaluating the end of the year is to fall back to comparing this situation with that of the other 31 teams in the league. The other 31 teams do not have arguable the greatest head coach and quarterback of all time in the same building at the SAME TIME!

The biggest farce on this board is to compare any desire to make moves in FA to being akin to the Redskins because look how they turned out. We aren't the Redskins we have the best QB and coach in the league. You cannot use the results of a crap franchise when it adds big time free agents to what would happen to this team when it adds big time free agents they are entirely different circumstances.

This comparison to trash franchises and other teams also extends to mocking anyone that thinks the last 8 years have been a failure because "lol no one else haz moar playoff appearances and losses in championship games and super bowls then us, lol u must be a Jets fan". It's time to realize this team is in a unique position with unique advantages that are about to go away when TB12 calls it quits. Again he took a huge reduction in salary when scrubs like Joe Flacco are breaking the bank to make the team better and again we've gone to Walmart to use that money instead of getting him 2-3 impact guys we get 6-7 over the hill guys, that if all 7 hit will make BB look like a genius. But when 3 get cut, and 1-2 is good and 1 is a jag he will end up looking like a fool again.

It's incredible how big "our" heads have gotten (some posters at least). It is our crown to lose every year. All these other teams led by dunce coaching staffs and scrub QBs can only hope to ever win it all if we clumsily give away what is rightly ours.

Infreaking credible. The only thing further away from that than reality, is the one game a time philosophy the team was built on.
 
Your plan seems to involve influencing some sort of league expansion...

By accident you hit the nail on the head.

The Pats need to be better than themselves.
 
The absolute biggest mistake made on this board in regards to moves in FA and evaluating the end of the year is to fall back to comparing this situation with that of the other 31 teams in the league. The other 31 teams do not have arguable the greatest head coach and quarterback of all time in the same building at the SAME TIME!

The biggest farce on this board is to compare any desire to make moves in FA to being akin to the Redskins because look how they turned out. We aren't the Redskins we have the best QB and coach in the league. You cannot use the results of a crap franchise when it adds big time free agents to what would happen to this team when it adds big time free agents they are entirely different circumstances.

This comparison to trash franchises and other teams also extends to mocking anyone that thinks the last 8 years have been a failure because "lol no one else haz moar playoff appearances and losses in championship games and super bowls then us, lol u must be a Jets fan". It's time to realize this team is in a unique position with unique advantages that are about to go away when TB12 calls it quits. Again he took a huge reduction in salary when scrubs like Joe Flacco are breaking the bank to make the team better and again we've gone to Walmart to use that money instead of getting him 2-3 impact guys we get 6-7 over the hill guys, that if all 7 hit will make BB look like a genius. But when 3 get cut, and 1-2 is good and 1 is a jag he will end up looking like a fool again.

It's incredible how poorly some people understand the salary cap.

The Patriots this year signed three young, premier free agents -- Talib, Amendola and Vollmer. They spent pretty good money on each. In the last few years they've extended Gronk, Hernandez, Mayo, Wilfork, Mankins, Gostkowski, and Slater, all to premium contracts. They re-signed their best player this winter, adding three years to Brady's deal.

Teams like Miami that do what you propose, signing those "2-3 impact guys" that will "put them over the top," could only do so after they let their own impact players walk -- in Miami's case, they let go of their their two top offensive players, Jake Long and Reggie Bush, and three of their best defensive players in Sean Smith, Karlos Dansby and Kevin Burnett.

If you want the Patriots to chase players like Mike Wallace or, I don't know, Cliff Avril, you have to be prepared for what that means -- losing players like Vollmer or Talib. Good teams cannot retain all of their own good players and then also add premium free agents. It's simply not possible mathematically. In the best case scenario, a team keeps its own key players and then has to scrape and claw to fill in the gaps with the draft and street free agents.

The Patriots do a great job of keeping all their best young players. It's also good for the clubhouse, where guys see that they will be rewarded before some outsider if they do things right.

Anyway, it's just amazing to me that people don't realize that under the cap, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. You can either have Mike Wallace and lose Vollmer and four other guys, or you can keep all the good players you spent years developing, players you know can keep this team in contention, and then try to spend what little capital's left making (sometimes incremental) improvements. Upgrading the kickoff return from McCourty to Leon Washington for a million bucks is a great example of the kind of move winning teams need to make. Getting Adrian Wilson to cover tight ends instead of Brandon Spikes is another obvious improvement -- he cost one-fifth what Ed Reed cost, is two years younger and was in the Pro Bowl just two years ago. Tommy Kelly on your pass rush instead of Kyle Love -- you preferred Desmond Bryant for $34 million or whatever? Donald Jones as your fifth wideout instead of Deion Branch is probably a net plus. How many teams have a backup swing tackle as good as Will Svitek, a guy who started at left tackle on a playoff team?

All of these things are smart, economical moves. There's probably one or two more moves coming, too -- an Abraham or a Freeney. They're going to spend right to the edge of the cap, and what they don't spend will go to extensions. Exactly what else would you have them do?
 
The absolute biggest mistake is some posters thinking you collect the best players and ....voilla!, you win the superbowl, without realizing there are other (almost) equally talented teams and that to win, you need to have both talent and luck. Almost without failure, every single SB winner the past 8 years has had a strong element of luck to win. Sometimes, you put the best team together and the chips just don't fall your way. As every one acknowledges, with just a little more luck, the Pats would have won at least 3 SB's the past 8 years. Not necessarily a waste.
 
It's incredible how poorly some people understand the salary cap.

The Patriots this year signed three young, premier free agents -- Talib, Amendola and Vollmer. They spent pretty good money on each. In the last few years they've extended Gronk, Hernandez, Mayo, Wilfork, Mankins, Gostkowski, and Slater, all to premium contracts. They re-signed their best player this winter, adding three years to Brady's deal.

Teams like Miami that do what you propose, signing those "2-3 impact guys" that will "put them over the top," could only do so after they let their own impact players walk -- in Miami's case, they let go of their their two top offensive players, Jake Long and Reggie Bush, and three of their best defensive players in Sean Smith, Karlos Dansby and Kevin Burnett.

If you want the Patriots to chase players like Mike Wallace or, I don't know, Cliff Avril, you have to be prepared for what that means -- losing players like Vollmer or Talib. Good teams cannot retain all of their own good players and then also add premium free agents. It's simply not possible mathematically. In the best case scenario, a team keeps its own key players and then has to scrape and claw to fill in the gaps with the draft and street free agents.

The Patriots do a great job of keeping all their best young players. It's also good for the clubhouse, where guys see that they will be rewarded before some outsider if they do things right.

Anyway, it's just amazing to me that people don't realize that under the cap, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. You can either have Mike Wallace and lose Vollmer and four other guys, or you can keep all the good players you spent years developing, players you know can keep this team in contention, and then try to spend what little capital's left making (sometimes incremental) improvements. Upgrading the kickoff return from McCourty to Leon Washington for a million bucks is a great example of the kind of move winning teams need to make. Getting Adrian Wilson to cover tight ends instead of Brandon Spikes is another obvious improvement -- he cost one-fifth what Ed Reed cost, is two years younger and was in the Pro Bowl just two years ago. Tommy Kelly on your pass rush instead of Kyle Love -- you preferred Desmond Bryant for $34 million or whatever? Donald Jones as your fifth wideout instead of Deion Branch is probably a net plus. How many teams have a backup swing tackle as good as Will Svitek, a guy who started at left tackle on a playoff team?

All of these things are smart, economical moves. There's probably one or two more moves coming, too -- an Abraham or a Freeney. They're going to spend right to the edge of the cap, and what they don't spend will go to extensions. Exactly what else would you have them do?

I was reading your post until you fell into the same trap of well Miami did what was proposed, we aren't the Dolphins the situation is totally different.

The salary cap has its limitations but you also should understand that we have the best QB in the league for a reasonable cap hit. It allows you to do more things, which we didn't do this offseason. More could have been done, but instead we get the same kind of JAG FAs ,which is fine but I do not want to hear about how the last 8 years haven't been a failure given this team's unique position in history.
 
I was reading your post until you fell into the same trap of well Miami did what was proposed, we aren't the Dolphins the situation is totally different.

The salary cap has its limitations but you also should understand that we have the best QB in the league for a reasonable cap hit. It allows you to do more things, which we didn't do this offseason. More could have been done, but instead we get the same kind of JAG FAs ,which is fine but I do not want to hear about how the last 8 years haven't been a failure given this team's unique position in history.

Do you really think having a great coach and quarterback makes the Patriots unique in NFL history?
 
Do you really think having a great coach and quarterback makes the Patriots unique in NFL history?

They have arguably the best QB and coach in NFL history, that is unique.
 
This thread is comedic gold, B2M just called Belichick the greatest coach in the league and a fool in the same frigging breath. It simply doesn't get any dumber than that.

Bill Belichick has managed to keep this team on top for over a decade and has completely rebuilt the entire roster around Brady while never dropping out of contention, and that is a feat. He now has them poised to compete for a Championship for the rest of Brady's career, and while you can never count on winning championships their odds going forward are as good as any team in the league. The spoiled rotten little sh.ts who can't stop whining about not having won it all recently really should take a different approach to football fandom. I would recommend to all of them that in the future they go out and buy the hats and jerseys of the 2 teams in the Super bow each year and throw out the loser's and wear the winners for the next year while shrieking incessantly, "we won, we won, yoooohoooooooooo," because that is clearly the only way they will ever be satisfied.

Belichick takes the same approach that Walsh and Parcells did, by building a team each season that can win their division and make a run for the Lombardi when the play-offs come, and no-one has done that better than he has. And because he has had so much success doing this patriot fans feel each season ending loss acutely, because it almost always comes in the biggest games with the most on the line. Winning it all takes a great team, good health when it matters, a series of really goods play-off performances, and luck, and it cannot be won without all of these coming together, and nothing demonstrated this better than the play-off run by this years Ravens team. And the complete lack of appreciation of the job Belichick is doing year in year out year after year may well be the greatest demonstration of fan ignorance that i have ever witnessed. Everyone wants them to win it all every year that's a given, and losing sucks, but while criticism of certain decisions and moves is always fine because Belichick is not GOD, the whiney crybaby bullsh.t that many in this fanbase demonstrate every offseason is nothing short of unbelievable. What a bunch of idiots.
 
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