Teddy Bridgewater's falling stock.

I don't watch college football, so i have no real opinion on his skill set.

What i do have is a gut feeling that Teddy Bridgewater is the name of a QB that sounds like a winner. Its not flashy, its a very meat an potatoes, hard worker sounding name. And because of that I'd be okay with taking him.

Plus that would possibly mean trying to move mallet and hopefully *fingers crossed* someone offers us a 4th round pick for him.

The pats can't control when he gets picked but if he is still around when are pick come up I think we should get him. Really how many good more years are we gonna get from Brady before he gets to old it's gonna stink when it happens but it's never to early to start thinking about the future and Teddy could be a good part of that.

I would trade the pick because i think winning more Super Bowl's before Brady retires should be thr priority, and not replacing him 4 years from now. If they can trade out and get a good deal they pick up the extra picks to address almost all of their needs, and in this draft they can do so with good talent.

KontradictioN said:

Brady is 37 years old and the Pats will more than likely enter 2015 without a back-up. Drafting the best quarterback available if he falls into their lap would seem to make pretty good sense.

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I do agree and admitted to a little bit of denial but also contract wise it would seem one year early. Do it now and you may be forced to carry 3 qbs and lose a roster spot plus he would be a free agent the same year Brady's deal ends which could be tricky to manage.
This is certainly something that needs to be done soon and if the right guy is there at 29 you pull the trigger even if it might seem a year early.
Can't Tom just play til he is 50?

I'm not seeing it.......if anything, mcarron later in the draft

Anythings possible if he drops but damn the draft can't get here soon enough

Jameis Winston
Brett Hundley
Marcus Mariota
Bryce Petty
Braxton Miller
Kevin Hogan

Winston is going #1, and the rest of the 2015 QB class is bust city IMO. The Brady heir is not in that class.

signbabybrady said:

I do agree and admitted to a little bit of denial but also contract wise it would seem one year early. Do it now and you may be forced to carry 3 qbs and lose a roster spot plus he would be a free agent the same year Brady's deal ends which could be tricky to manage.
This is certainly something that needs to be done soon and if the right guy is there at 29 you pull the trigger even if it might seem a year early.
Can't Tom just play til he is 50?

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Until I see Brady start to decline I'm not willing to go after his replacement. People have been saying this for few years now and some even considered Mallett to be his replacement because he would be 37 when Mallett's deal was up, however I think pretty much everyone would agree that he did an exceptional job last season with a brand new supporting cast at the skill positions, and I think most would say that he will have a better 2014 than he did 2013, in which case he is still a ways off from calling it quits. like Manning his game is built on smarts and accuracy, however unlike Manning Brady is showing no loss of arm strength and until we start seeing real signs of that in decline I see no reason he can't keep putting up good seasons. I don't see this draft as their last shot at getting his replacement and think there will continue to be good prospects who fit what they are looking for in coming drafts. Maybe it will be next draft or maybe the one after that, but unless they actually see the next Aaron Rodgers sitting there i see no reason to pull the trigger using a high pick. If they do think that Bridgewater or Carr or Murray or Zettenberger as that guy I will trust them but I will have to see that to believe it. Personally i think Brady has 3-4 more really good years and that's plenty of time to find his replacement.

Rob0729 said:

But if next year's draft class is going to be better and you can get a better QB in the 2015 draft than Bridgewater why wouldn't you try to trade down to a team that is drafting high in the second round and potentially get their this year second rounder and next year's first. If they are drafting high in the second round this year and getting a rookie QB, odds are good they will be drafting high in the first round next year.

This year's draft is deep. Possibly the deepest in years. I would rather trade back and gamble they can get an even better QB next year in the first round and get another solid player this year rather than take Bridgewater who has question marks just because he fell to 29.

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Actually, when I posted that, I mistakenly thought Hackenberg was going to be declaring. Since that's not the case, the only legit NFL-caliber starting quarterback that I see coming out of that class (right now) is Winston, who is a stud but will probably go #1 overall. The same goes with Hackenberg if he stays on his current trajectory two years from now. In all, that being considered, this class is stronger than next year's. Further, the Pats have been doing more due diligence on the quarterback position than they have in any year I can remember since they took Brady. Now, you can argue that maybe they're just looking for Mallett's successor, but that seems somewhat unlikely since they've been working out top end prospects like Manziel and Bridgewater.

As for the draft being deep, that only lends a hand to my argument. If the draft is deep at all positions of need outside of DE and maybe SS, the Pats can afford to take Bridgewater if he falls into their lap at #29. Whether or not that will happen remains to be seen.

signbabybrady said:

I do agree and admitted to a little bit of denial but also contract wise it would seem one year early. Do it now and you may be forced to carry 3 qbs and lose a roster spot plus he would be a free agent the same year Brady's deal ends which could be tricky to manage.
This is certainly something that needs to be done soon and if the right guy is there at 29 you pull the trigger even if it might seem a year early.
Can't Tom just play til he is 50?

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They'd only be forced to carry three quarterbacks for one year. Mallett is likely gone in 2015.

KontradictioN said:

Actually, when I posted that, I mistakenly thought Hackenberg was going to be declaring. Since that's not the case, the only legit NFL-caliber starting quarterback that I see coming out of that class (right now) is Winston, who is a stud but will probably go #1 overall. The same goes with Hackenberg if he stays on his current trajectory two years from now. In all, that being considered, this class is stronger than next year's. Further, the Pats have been doing more due diligence on the quarterback position than they have in any year I can remember since they took Brady. Now, you can argue that maybe they're just looking for Mallett's successor, but that seems somewhat unlikely since they've been working out top end prospects like Manziel and Bridgewater.

As for the draft being deep, that only lends a hand to my argument. If the draft is deep at all positions of need outside of DE and maybe SS, the Pats can afford to take Bridgewater if he falls into their lap at #29. Whether or not that will happen remains to be seen..

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The deepness of the draft can be looked at either way. It may be better to trade down and take multiple picks this year. If you can get first round talent in the second round and second round talent in the third and etc. This is the year you want multiple picks per round high in rounds 2-5 or so. So trading down because someone is hot on Bridgewater and only moving down 5-10 spots while picking up say a third and another mid round pick could deliver you two or three impact players.

The Pats still do have specific needs and some of them are not all that deep at the position (TE, DT, DE, and S). So using the 29th pick on Bridgewater may mean they have to sacrifice giving up getting one of those players who can make an impact this year. The depth at other positions with a lot of depth like WR will allow players that the Pats may want at shallow positions to drop, but not by a round or two.

I am just not sold on Bridgewater or that he will even be around by the time the Pats need to replace Brady. I think the Pats would be better off getting more picks this year. This is a year you can trade down out of the 29th pick and turn one potential starter into 2-3.

I still think Bridgwater will be drafted before 29. So this argument is probably moot.

I would absolutely hate if the pats pick a QB in the first round. The prevailing thought here is that Brady will retire after his current deal is up; what if he doesn't? Brett Favre had his career year at 41, what if Brady says he wants to play until he is 42 or 43? That's not out of the question.

To be honest I would rather go all out for Brady's last 4-7 seasons and suck afterwards than prep for the future. Plus with this draft being so deep I would love to trade 29 for an additional pick in the second and third rounds.

I've posted it elsewhere, but it really fits in this thread:

In a draft as deep as this one is supposed to be, if you find a talented player who's on a major slide, regardless of position, this is the year where you take him. So, as much as I hate the idea of the Patriots wasting a high pick in this year's draft on a QB, Bridgewater falling to 29 is one of those cases where I'd say that the Patriots should give serious thought to making him the pick.

There may not be a decline in Brady's skill level yet but any serious injury could effectively be the end of a career for any aging QB. For such an important position it is paramount to plan in contingencies. Mallett has had very little opportunity to show anything in the regular season and may be too expensive as a backup in a years' time.

And as far as draft stock goes, there is nothing as valuable an asset as a potential franchise changing QB. If one can be found at the back end of the 1st round, then it would be pretty difficult to pass that up. The question is whether Teddy Bridgewater is that franchise QB.

Rob0729 said:

The deepness of the draft can be looked at either way. It may be better to trade down and take multiple picks this year. If you can get first round talent in the second round and second round talent in the third and etc. This is the year you want multiple picks per round high in rounds 2-5 or so. So trading down because someone is hot on Bridgewater and only moving down 5-10 spots while picking up say a third and another mid round pick could deliver you two or three impact players.

The Pats still do have specific needs and some of them are not all that deep at the position (TE, DT, DE, and S). So using the 29th pick on Bridgewater may mean they have to sacrifice giving up getting one of those players who can make an impact this year. The depth at other positions with a lot of depth like WR will allow players that the Pats may want at shallow positions to drop, but not by a round or two.

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If Bridgewater is gone, I wouldn't mind trading down at all and picking guys like Tuitt or Nix at DT and then the best of whomever is left out of Amara, ASJ, and Niklas (possibly Fiedorowicz afterward). But if he is there, you're talking about a telented quarterback who is a good decision maker and can make throws from everywhere on the field that was a consensus top five (and maybe top overall) pick at this time last year had he come out. To me, that's excellent value if he's still available at #29. I would pull the trigger on him, personally, and look to acquire more picks later on in the draft by moving down.

I am just not sold on Bridgewater or that he will even be around by the time the Pats need to replace Brady. I think the Pats would be better off getting more picks this year. This is a year you can trade down out of the 29th pick and turn one potential starter into 2-3.

I still think Bridgwater will be drafted before 29. So this argument is probably moot.

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He might be. In that event, my draft preferences would automatically go back to default as they've been reflected in my mocks.

patsinthesnow said:

Jameis Winston
Brett Hundley
Marcus Mariota
Bryce Petty
Braxton Miller
Kevin Hogan

Winston is going #1, and the rest of the 2015 QB class is bust city IMO. The Brady heir is not in that class.

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I'd agree, this QB draft class is better than the upcoming 3 classes (as of right now), other than Winston & Mariota, there aren't many high ceiling prospects in college football. I think I'd take Mettenberger, McCarron or Jeff Matthews with a middle or late pick than take a QB early when there are so many other needs on the roster.

ripatsfan91 said:

I would absolutely hate if the pats pick a QB in the first round. The prevailing thought here is that Brady will retire after his current deal is up; what if he doesn't? Brett Favre had his career year at 41, what if Brady says he wants to play until he is 42 or 43? That's not out of the question.

To be honest I would rather go all out for Brady's last 4-7 seasons and suck afterwards than prep for the future. Plus with this draft being so deep I would love to trade 29 for an additional pick in the second and third rounds.

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Historically, the amount of quarterbacks that continue to play at a very high level near, at, or after age 40 is much lower than the amount that haven't. Maybe Brady can, but history is against him. Further, the amount of suck if the Pats fail time and again to secure a franchise quarterback after Brady hangs them up could be decades and not just a couple of years.

Pats have a future Hall of famer quarterback who can still play. Picking any quarterback in the top 3 rounds would be stupid. Message to Pats...focus on your needs like DL/DE, LB, OL and TE.

KontradictioN said:

Historically, the amount of quarterbacks that continue to play at a very high level near, at, or after age 40 is much lower than the amount that haven't. Maybe Brady can, but history is against him. Further, the amount of suck if the Pats fail time and again to secure a franchise quarterback after Brady hangs them up could be decades and not just a couple of years.

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I think we are in uncharted territory for QBs and the age they can go to. With the rules to protect the QB, modern medicine, and training; I think the QB who plays at a high level until he is 45 may already be starting in this league. Probably won't be Brady, but you never know.

Rob0729 said:

I think we are in uncharted territory for QBs and the age they can go to. With the rules to protect the QB, modern medicine, and training; I think the QB who plays at a high level until he is 45 may already be starting in this league. Probably won't be Brady, but you never know.

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I hope he can go at a high level, but he's sustained and taken a lot of punishment over the course of his career. The rules changes happened almost six years after he came into the league and, even after, he's still taken some hellacious shots that he's simply gotten up from because he's a tough son of a *****. More than likely, we'll probably see him noticeably decline somehwere around 39-40. The team needs to get out in front of that.

I am NOT a college football follower at all (I'd just rather watch another pro NFL game).

But is there any truth to a statement I heard when tuning into a station (missed any context) that next years QB class is probably going to be much better than anything available this year?