Curran: Brady 'almost certainly' gone before 2017

rochrist said:

Much as I love TFB, he does not run the Pats. BB runs the Pats.

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Its a silly discussion. We've seen what bad ownership does to franchises and good coaches. You could argue that without Kraft's financial support, solid organizational and management philosophy, quite possibly Belichick would be a the GoAT DC somewhere AFTER he was fired from the NYJ in 200x.

The rules that apply to other players simply don't apply to franchise quarterbacks. For a franchise QB, you make a Ricky Williams-type draft trade. For a franchise QB, you eliminate the words "cap casualty" from your vocabulary. Etc.

Bruins29 said:

i just hope we dont have to read about this every year until TB retires.

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Sadly, I think we'll be hearing this about once a month from here on out.

I really don't care : I am a Patriots fan and I want them to win as much as possible. As soon as that means moving on from Brady, I'm onboard. I love Brady : competitive, skilled, intense. But most of all (by a long shot), the team has won at an incredible clip while he was in at QB.

No sentimental value : Brady isn't my family, nor my friend. He plays for my favourite football team. When/If he isn't the best option - time to go. Always thankful for all of his contributions, but that is all - winning is everything. Feelings are useless.

rochrist said:

If BB didn't draft Brady, chances are he goes undrafted and never even PLAYS in the NFL.

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There were 5 QB's drafted after Brady, including such legends as Todd Husek, JuJuan Seider and Joe Hamilton. There's no way Brady goes undrafted.

What happens next is anyone's guess, but I think he would eventually get his chance to play.

Tom Brady can start for the Patriots as long as he wants to.

Tom Brady is now more Massachusetts royalty than the Kennedy's. New England loves that man.

Even if you want to throw loyalty out the window and get rid of the face of your franchise's success, and just focus on "the business" - mark my words: Trading Brady or cutting him would be the worst mistake Kraft's owned Patriot team ever made, now and for all time.

It would be so bad it has curse potential.

Tom Brady is the 21st century New England Patriots personified. The back lash would be greater than you know. Forum posters aren''t a good barometer for the real world. The average majority of loving Patriot fans would be crushed and angry as hell, and for the foreseeable future, it would be bad enough to shrink the Patriots brand.

Like Gronk said about him selling his crib: "Tom Brady does what Tom Brady wants to do."

5 Superbowl games, 3 rings, and 8 AFC Championship appearances. If he wants to pull a Favre on his final year and not retire for one more run as a Patriot, I can get onboard with that.

Down 24-0 to Denver in the wind, in the elements, in the biggest game of the year, I want Tom Brady breathing fire, not JAG with good hair.

Brady hating trolls.

I'm a huge Brady fan, but knowing how BB runs the team it really shouldn't surprise anyone if he cuts Brady sometime in the future. Granted, JG has to show a lot in practice for BB to be able to convince Kraft to sign off on a huge decision like that.

It's sad because some want this to happen so they can *****. I hope it never happens...but will it? There is of course a chance

RayClay said:

Would it save enough space to offset the loss of a top starting QB?

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My point was to clarify when Tom Brady becomes tradeable without adding to the Patriots cap number.

Brady's contract becomes fully guaranteed for the rest of its term if he is on the Patriots roster at the end of the season.

Would this have been written today if mankins wasnt released last week ? is it just a reaction to pats releasing a veteran player than Jimmy G's performance ? IMO if brady keeps playing he is, he will stay.

Well, no one is more wrong than Tom Curran so I'm not worried.

SVN said:

Would this have been written today if mankins wasnt released last week ? is it just a reaction to pats releasing a veteran player than Jimmy G's performance ? IMO if brady keeps playing he is, he will stay.

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It would never come to that. At this point I don't think TB will let a couple of million bucks determine if he finishes his career as a NEP. it did with Mankins.

To be honest, if the Pats are winning Super Bowls, I could care less who's coaching and who's playing what position.

That said, I'm really thankful to be a fan during the Belichick/Brady era.

I grew up watching Brady. The idea of him not playing for the Patriots is as terrifying as it is depressing.

Brady isn't what he was in 2007 or 2011. Mentally? He might be better. But not physically. We've got an OL in uproar. He could get hit, he could start having other issues.

Bottom line is when Brady's level of play starts to not meet his contract and/or JG's rookie deal is starting to come to an end, Brady will retire/be cut/traded. Joe Montana was dealt off, nobody is sacrosanct - in particular in Foxboro.

Mark12 said:

I grew up watching Brady. The idea of him not playing for the Patriots is as terrifying as it is depressing.

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I grew up watching bozo's in the 60's. I know better than most how great this era is, but BB won't be married to the past if its costs the team wins, even for Brady.

ausbacker said:

Why would you get a laugh out of something as such? Belichick has shown that he is willing to replace everyone the moment he has a younger, better prospect. This isn't out of the ordinary. That said, I find it difficult to imagine that Belichick pulls the trigger on Brady. Quarterback is unlike any other position in sport. Pancho will have to be something to supplant Brady.

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It's a process from two directions. Brady declines, JG grows, Brady is getting paid more than he's worth (in the future), JG has one more year on his deal, and continued to grow and learn. It's not just one thing, it will multiple considerations that key/cause the change.

I could see that guaranteed contract getting in the way of ever getting rid of Brady. If 39 year old Brady says he'll retire if traded to another team but wants to play for the Pats, then nobody will trade for him but the Pats would have to eat $29M in dead money to cut him. What is Belichick supposed to do if it comes to that?

Sciz said:

I could see that guaranteed contract getting in the way of ever getting rid of Brady. If 39 year old Brady says he'll retire if traded to another team but wants to play for the Pats, then nobody will trade for him but the Pats would have to eat $29M in dead money to cut him. What is Belichick supposed to do if it comes to that?

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According to Miguel's page, if I read it correctly, it would cost them 6M to cut him in 2017 if it came to that.

rochrist said:

According to Miguel's page, if I read it correctly, it would cost them 6M to cut him in 2017 if it came to that.

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That's if he's traded, in which case the guaranteed salary would go to the new team. The Pats would have to pay that salary if they cut him though, so there's no financial benefit to doing so. If he essentially refuses to be traded, then do you keep him or cut him for no cap gain?

I really hope it doesn't come to that, but we've seen a lot worse players force their way onto new teams, so I don't think it'd be terribly hard for a guy like Brady to ensure that he's not traded since retirement would be a very real threat at that point.