Peter King: Footballs were tampered with by human

Peter King: I like hearing my own voice

I think what he is saying is that the Pats balls were refilled after the first half and did not drop again. Which doesn't make sense either, but who knows. These guys have made so much **** up at this point.

These may not be real leaks. We're back to the halftime story again now, even though it morphed into before halftime yesterday.

These bottomfeeders are morons. All of them.

Big-T said:

No, it takes 10 minutes for a Football to warm back up.

If the Colts Footballs were tested after the Patriots ones they would have warmed up enough to pass a gauge test.

It really is incredibly simple.

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I don't personally see much wrong with the article. It's perfectly logical, if those leaks are true, that a human was responsible for the tampering. That, or it was human error which didn't identify the balls were never at the correct pressure to begin with. So it may not necessarily be tampering.

I think you're reaching a little on the physics side of things there personally.

Bertil said:

I'd bet they were NEVER checked with a pressure gauge before the game.

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Which then brings me to this point.

This is my initial suspicion. I am amazed this isn't being talked about more. Do they sometimes say 'screw it' if they're running behind or the balls feel okay to them?

That could happen.

PSI drops 18% between 100 degrees F and 0 degrees F. Therefore if the balls were filled indoors at 75 degrees and checked at 45 degrees outdoors hours later, the greatest drop would be about 6%, which is NO WHERE near 2 lbs PSI (It would bring the ball to 11.75 PSI, not 10.5). The temperture change was simply not enough to explain this, not even close actually.

Guys, I'm the one who deflated the balls for the Patriots! I was approached before the game by a guy wearing a Patriots hat and sweatshirt and he offered me $25,000 to stick a needle in them "for the good of the team."

I managed to find a picture of him though:

People,
The stupid is strong with this one (King).
I won't repeat the correct posts about starting pressures, etc. here but my point is that WTF is the NFL doing "leaking" (Heh!) information to reporters, information that puts the Patriots in a bad light mostly because it is incomplete and easily mis-interpreted. I have NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER for the way the league office has conducted themselves here. By leaking these tidbits they are behaving as if they had an agenda, a vendetta, and find themselves in a conundrum where their supposed evidence is full of holes.

Please tell me why my interpretation of their behavior is fallacious.

stephens44 said:

PSI drops 18% between 100 degrees F and 0 degrees F. Therefore if the balls were filled indoors at 75 degrees and checked at 45 degrees outdoors hours later, the greatest drop would be about 6%, which is NO WHERE near 2 lbs PSI (It would bring the ball to 11.75 PSI, not 10.5). The temperture change was simply not enough to explain this, not even close actually.

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And yet here are the Sport Science guys saying they exposed a football to 10 degree weather for one hour and the PSI dropped over twenty percent.

Doubting they initially filled their football with 110+ degree air.

If you assume they used 70 degree air, then they noticed a 20% drop in PSI over a range of 60 degrees of temperature acclimation.

That results in a 3.3% drop in PSI per 10 degree change in temperature. Oddly enough, this is super close to the broad rule of thumb that people like Goodyear give out to the people that drive on their tires.

The Sport Science findings dont seem to support your attempt to debunk this math -if you saying that there can only be an 18 percent drop over the course of a 100 degrees of temperature change.

Patriots balls could've been affected by nature. The sting-setting-up Colts could've kept their balls inflated manually, knowing the check was coming.

King, NFL, etc. can't dismiss the possibility.

The problem with all of the accusers is they are all still relying on "sources". We already found out at least one "leaked info" was BS. I'm watching Mike And Mike right now and they're saying "No, No they said the balls were checked with a gauge" and "11 of the 12 were 2 lbs under pressure." When will these idiots learn? The NFL hasn't said a freaking word. Man I hope this blows up in everyones face. BTW, I have noticed a slight backing off from some, knowing this will most likely be a non story in the Pats case. Trying to save face.

After rereading king's last paragraph, I think this points to differences in the way the balls are prepared. One set transfers heat faster and colts set is more insulated

At least we have confirmation that the balls weren't tampered with by an extraterrestrial or a trained chimp.

Bertil said:

I'd bet they were NEVER checked with a pressure gauge before the game.

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So it's 5 possible scenarios...
1. Someone deflated the balls that is working/operating on behalf of the Patriots-GUILTY-PATS
2. The Pats balls were in a separate location/climate than the Colts balls which produced different measurements-INNOCENT
3. The officials are lying and they never measures the balls-INNOCENT
4. The Colts took the Patriots balls - which were legal and swapped them for illegal balls-GUILTY- COLTS
5. The balls taken were Patriots practice balls (which could be possible...why would BB go into the "I create situations in practice that are harder in games. INNOCENT

PatsWickedPissah said:

People,
The stupid is strong with this one (King).
I won't repeat the correct posts about starting pressures, etc. here but my point is that WTF is the NFL doing "leaking" (Heh!) information to reporters, information that puts the Patriots in a bad light mostly because it is incomplete and easily mis-interpreted. I have NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER for the way the league office has conducted themselves here. By leaking these tidbits they are behaving as if they had an agenda, a vendetta, and find themselves in a conundrum where their supposed evidence is full of holes.

Please tell me why my interpretation of their behavior is fallacious.

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Todays nfl is all about money, letting the patriots be portrayed as the 'bad guys' and seattle the good it draws in the people who are less than casual fans. This story has been on news programs day and night, in the last few days its been a feature story on all the major and minor news outlets so Every One knows about the story. Its free pub,people that never watched or cared about football will tune in. this =$$$$$$$$$$$

Bobsyouruncle said:

No, you ****ing halfwit. The balls don't "deflate" they just read lower pressure with the same amount of air. Seriously, they teach this **** to children in grade school, and PK has been combing over it for a week and still remains confused.

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Are you saying that the volume of the ball doesn't change at all if there's a change in pressure, where the pressure change is solely due to exterior (and eventually therefore also interior) temperature rather than to any change in the number of gas molecules contained?

I'd guess that there actually would be a small reduction.

robertweathers said:

So it's 5 possible scenarios...
1. Someone deflated the balls that is working/operating on behalf of the Patriots-GUILTY-PATS
2. The Pats balls were in a separate location/climate than the Colts balls which produced different measurements-INNOCENT
3. The officials are lying and they never measures the balls-INNOCENT
4. The Colts took the Patriots balls - which were legal and swapped them for illegal balls-GUILTY- COLTS
5. The balls taken were Patriots practice balls (which could be possible...why would BB go into the "I create situations in practice that are harder in games. INNOCENT

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More than 5 -- there's also the "sauna" scenario, in which the Patriots' balls were cleverly inflated at a higher ambient temperature than the Colts' balls were, shortly before the official pressure measurement.

robertweathers said:

So it's 5 possible scenarios...
1. Someone deflated the balls that is working/operating on behalf of the Patriots-GUILTY-PATS
2. The Pats balls were in a separate location/climate than the Colts balls which produced different measurements-INNOCENT
3. The officials are lying and they never measures the balls-INNOCENT
4. The Colts took the Patriots balls - which were legal and swapped them for illegal balls-GUILTY- COLTS
5. The balls taken were Patriots practice balls (which could be possible...why would BB go into the "I create situations in practice that are harder in games. INNOCENT

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This.

And again, if the Patriots are sure no one in-house is responsible and scenario #1 is incorrect - then they need to get their ass in gear and get on the offensive on this thing.

RobAllan said:

These may not be real leaks.

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That is the essence of the pro-Patriot position.

PatsWickedPissah said:

People,
The stupid is strong with this one (King).
I won't repeat the correct posts about starting pressures, etc. here but my point is that WTF is the NFL doing "leaking" (Heh!) information to reporters, information that puts the Patriots in a bad light mostly because it is incomplete and easily mis-interpreted. I have NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER for the way the league office has conducted themselves here. By leaking these tidbits they are behaving as if they had an agenda, a vendetta, and find themselves in a conundrum where their supposed evidence is full of holes.

Please tell me why my interpretation of their behavior is fallacious.

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At this point, it has become clear to me that the NFL not only isn't upset about this, they're playing it. Look at the attention the press conferences got yesterday. Lead story on every news station.

WE care about the game. Goodell and company care about the money.

The leaks are keeping the story going - they've got thousands of "reporters"/"detectives" yapping about it 24/7.

PatsWickedPissah said:

People,
The stupid is strong with this one (King).
I won't repeat the correct posts about starting pressures, etc. here but my point is that WTF is the NFL doing "leaking" (Heh!) information to reporters, information that puts the Patriots in a bad light mostly because it is incomplete and easily mis-interpreted. I have NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER for the way the league office has conducted themselves here. By leaking these tidbits they are behaving as if they had an agenda, a vendetta, and find themselves in a conundrum where their supposed evidence is full of holes.

Please tell me why my interpretation of their behavior is fallacious.

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Something that just occurred to me (as long as the rest of the world has a theory ), is what if the NFL isn't zeroing in on the Pats at all. Tom hasn't been approached. Maybe just maybe they are investigating the colts or even the Ratbirds. There could be a major smear conspiracy here. Oh, the beauty of such a thing. Spygate? What's that?