Bedard Breakdown of Brady's 4th Quarter

Bruins29 · Feb 2, 2015

No, but some posters might be.

turkeyneck · Feb 2, 2015

SVN said:
Yeah, he still sounds sick.

He looked like death warmed over, pale, ashen.

wolverinejoe80 · Feb 2, 2015

brady stand on the top of the mountain. above russell. above anyone. this is a non salary cap era, folks.

Richard Camembert · Feb 2, 2015

Triumph said:
Last night Brady sealed his place with Boston greats like Orr, Bird, Papi.

You think he's up there with Stan Papi?

Fencer · Feb 3, 2015

wolverinejoe80 said:
brady stand on the top of the mountain. above russell. above anyone. this is a non salary cap era, folks.

Nobody stands above Russell. 9 championships in 11 years, in a sport where only 5 guys play at once.

However, if you want to put Belichick over Auerbach, then salary caps and free agency are more persuasive arguments. Also, the sport with larger teams is the one that's harder to GM in a consistently superior way.

Bruins29 · Feb 3, 2015

Fencer said:
Nobody stands above Russell. 9 championships in 11 years, in a sport where only 5 guys play at once.

However, if you want to put Belichick over Auerbach, then salary caps and free agency are more persuasive arguments. Also, the sport with larger teams is the one that's harder to GM in a consistently superior way.

No team athlete has ever or will stand over Russell ever.

Uncle Rico · Feb 3, 2015

patfanken said:
I think I'm going to say this a lot in the coming years about Brady. He was spectacular in the 4th quarter last night. But the fact is that Brady has been very good in EVERY 4th quarter of every superbowl he's every been in, INCLUDING the 2 he was on the losing side. Brady had a 4th quarter come from behind TD in both those loses they always seem to get lost in the narrative that wants to pin those losses on him

Thank you for making this point. I haven't had a chance to look this up but this is my sense too. That's what was so devastating about the freaky Kearse reception — all part of the deja vu package that included brilliant late play by Brady, going for naught because the defense couldn't hold on one more time. If the D holds up at all in 42 and 46 — freak plays be dammed — Sunday night would have been just the latest brilliant come back drive by six-time SB champion Tom Brady.

BradyManny · Feb 3, 2015

Haven't had time to look at this closely, but did Brady just have the best fourth quarter in SB history? 13/15 with 2 TDs has to be up there.

BradyManny · Feb 3, 2015

Triumph said:
Last night Brady sealed his place with Boston greats like Orr, Bird, Papi.

Brady sealed that above a decade ago.

Bruins29 · Feb 3, 2015

BradyManny said:
Brady sealed that above a decade ago.

Exactly. How anyone did not know this is not paying attention.

TB is on the Mt Rushmore of Boston Athletes. The big 4 are Russell, Orr, TB, Williams.

1. Russell is the greatest team athlete ever (11 world championships, 9 in a row, against Chamberlain blah blah) with Ruth right behind him - Gretzky, Jordan, Ali etc...

2. Orr is the greatest to 3rd best hockey player to ever play depending on who you ask. He completely revolutionized the game.

3. I think TB has earned the number 3 spot at this point. We know the accolades and the salary cap era stuff. He is still playing at an elite level. Will he be able to catch Orr who changed the game? Not sure but I think if he gets ring 5 he does. You can make an argument he passes Orr now because of the championships. But as an athlete Orr had no peers, he was that much better than his counterparts. Brady has been the best QB or in the top 3 his whole career, but that margin has not been as wide.

4. Williams. Greatest hitter who ever played the game. If he had not taken off 5 of his prime years to defend our country who knows what kind of stats he could have put up.

BradyManny · Feb 3, 2015

Bruins29 said:
Exactly. How anyone did not know this is not paying attention.

TB is on the Mt Rushmore of Boston Athletes. The big 4 are Russell, Orr, TB, Williams.

1. Russell is the greatest team athlete ever (11 world championships, 9 in a row, against Chamberlain blah blah) with Ruth right behind him - Gretzky, Jordan, Ali etc...

2. Orr is the greatest to 3rd best hockey player to ever play depending on who you ask. He completely revolutionized the game.

3. I think TB has earned the number 3 spot at this point. We know the accolades and the salary cap era stuff. He is still playing at an elite level. Will he be able to catch Orr who changed the game? Not sure but I think if he gets ring 5 he does. You can make an argument he passes Orr now because of the championships. But as an athlete Orr had no peers, he was that much better than his counterparts. Brady has been the best QB or in the top 3 his whole career, but that margin has not been as wide.

4. Williams. Greatest hitter who ever played the game. If he had not taken off 5 of his prime years to defend our country who knows what kind of stats he could have put up.

I think that's all a good breakdown.

The thing is, I'm not even sure it makes sense to compare Russell to Brady given how disparate those two leagues were at the two points in time we are comparing. We might as well start comparing Brady to whoever the best Gladiator in Rome was 2000 years ago - the comparison no longer means anything. Both Russell and Brady were/are pretty amazing.

Bruins29 · Feb 3, 2015

BradyManny said:
I think that's all a good breakdown.

The thing is, I'm not even sure it makes sense to compare Russell to Brady given how disparate those two leagues were at the two points in time we are comparing. We might as well start comparing Brady to whoever the best Gladiator in Rome was 2000 years ago - the comparison no longer means anything. Both Russell and Brady were/are pretty amazing.

Correct. The NBA was very different then. There were a lot fewer teams etc. But you really aren't comparing TB to Russell. You compare each of them to how dominant they were over their peers at the time.

For example Babe Ruth hit more home runs in a season than the rest of the league combined. Then he would take the mound and pitch like a Hall of Famer. He was that much better than his peers.

West Philly Patriot · Feb 3, 2015

Fencer said:
Nobody stands above Russell. 9 championships in 11 years, in a sport where only 5 guys play at once.

However, if you want to put Belichick over Auerbach, then salary caps and free agency are more persuasive arguments. Also, the sport with larger teams is the one that's harder to GM in a consistently superior way.

The NBA in that time had like 14 teams and the celtics were stacked beyond belief. It's not even in the same ball park as far as difficulty. The spurs championships are more impressive than the early celtics imo.

Fencer · Feb 4, 2015

West Philly Patriot said:
The NBA in that time had like 14 teams and the celtics were stacked beyond belief. It's not even in the same ball park as far as difficulty. The spurs championships are more impressive than the early celtics imo.

The Celtics weren't the only team stacked then. Toward the end of their run, for example, the Lakers had Chamberlain, West and Baylor.

PatsBoy12 · Feb 5, 2015

upstater1 said:
Brady lead the team to the lead in the 4th quarter after being tied or behind against:

1. The Rams
2. The Panthers
3. The Giants
4. The Giants
5. The Seahawks

He cemented himself a long time ago for me. Notice, all of Brady's SB mistakes come in the first half or early in the second. He's money when it's money time. He has had his team in position to win every SB they've played. I'm thankful we ended up being the winners this time. I couldn't have taken another defeat, especially having to swallow another insane catch.

Ivan · Feb 5, 2015

Fencer said:
Nobody stands above Russell. 9 championships in 11 years, in a sport where only 5 guys play at once.

However, if you want to put Belichick over Auerbach, then salary caps and free agency are more persuasive arguments. Also, the sport with larger teams is the one that's harder to GM in a consistently superior way.

Not buying it, Winning Super Bowls today is much harder than winning NBS Championships was back then. It's Brady, Russell, Williams, and Orr.

Patsrock · Feb 5, 2015

upstater1 said:
Brady lead the team to the lead in the 4th quarter after being tied or behind against:

1. The Rams
2. The Panthers
3. The Giants
4. The Giants
5. The Seahawks

He didn't do that in 2nd Super Bowl against the Giants. Pats didnt score in the 4th.

goheels22002 · Jun 6, 2015

Just read Bedard's 2/2/2015 MMQB column again. It will make your day a little better no matter what you are doing.

The mind-blowing stat is Tom Brady's QB rating of 140.7 in the 4th quarter of Super Bowl 49.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/02/super-bowl-49-tom-brady-new-england-patriots/

rochrist · Jun 6, 2015

Bruins29 said:
Exactly. How anyone did not know this is not paying attention.

TB is on the Mt Rushmore of Boston Athletes. The big 4 are Russell, Orr, TB, Williams.

1. Russell is the greatest team athlete ever (11 world championships, 9 in a row, against Chamberlain blah blah) with Ruth right behind him - Gretzky, Jordan, Ali etc...

2. Orr is the greatest to 3rd best hockey player to ever play depending on who you ask. He completely revolutionized the game.

3. I think TB has earned the number 3 spot at this point. We know the accolades and the salary cap era stuff. He is still playing at an elite level. Will he be able to catch Orr who changed the game? Not sure but I think if he gets ring 5 he does. You can make an argument he passes Orr now because of the championships. But as an athlete Orr had no peers, he was that much better than his counterparts. Brady has been the best QB or in the top 3 his whole career, but that margin has not been as wide.

4. Williams. Greatest hitter who ever played the game. If he had not taken off 5 of his prime years to defend our country who knows what kind of stats he could have put up.

He doesn't pass Orr. Orr did what he did essentially skating on one leg and he was still good enough to play keep away from the other team -by himself-. If he had been healthy, he would have set every record in the book. There's never been another hockey player like Orr.

RobertWeathers · Jun 6, 2015

rochrist said:
He doesn't pass Orr. Orr did what he did essentially skating on one leg and he was still good enough to play keep away from the other team -by himself-. If he had been healthy, he would have set every record in the book. There's never been another hockey player like Orr.

@rochrist this is an argument that you should not feel compelled to defend or justify.

#4 is in a different category than TB12, Russell and Williams as those players had very different careers. TB12 is on his 15th year. Russell played 13. Williams played 19. While Orr played 10 years, he was what we remember for really 7.

Bobby Orr is to hockey as Sandy Koufax or Pedro is to baseball. Their stars burned brighter than no one else, but didn't burn for a long enough time.

If Orr played at a 130 point a year rate (his average in the 7 years I mention) for 15 years, he'd be #2 in points all-time and even though almost 1000 points separate them, he blows Gretzky out of the water. Yes, I said that.

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