5 starters and 3 captains set to hit the free agent market

Bruins29 said:

So your opinion is the reality and those who see it have to be concerned?

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Yes

Brady6 said:

Yes

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And you wonder why people act the way they do towards you.

Ivan said:

The OP is right, Belichick has done a terrible job in this years free agency.

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It took you and Bruins29 45 minutes to troll along, you boys are slipping.

Brady6 said:

It took you and Bruins29 45 minutes to troll along, you boys are slipping.

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But it diddnt take you long to post another narcissistic "I know everything and those who cant see what I see are wrong" post. Had you just stated your opinion without the other garbage maybe you would not be ridiculed....again.

Brady6 said:

Does it really matter if they tried? I mean we had to use a franchise tag on our kicker, I'm not criticizing management I wondering what exactly they are doing because I find it hard to believe that we could not come to an extension deal with any of the players, not even our kicker.

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It would if the player wants to test the market - there is one franchise tag. Every preventative measure comes with a price the team has to be willing to pay if the player wants to go that route. The Pats have a big turnover every year, and constantly add new pieces in order to adjust. Some players want the resume of playing for the Pats and move on to better deals. Others like the environment and will take a little less to play for a winner. But the players do know the Pats tend to offer less than the best deals in free agency, so it really depends on what the player is looking to do. Even kickers. And the Pats sign intelligent players, which means they are unlikely to accept an empty deal that will not risk big dead money hits with injury.

This year is no different than any other free agency period. I wish I could answer precisely what they were doing, but part of the reason people are anxious right now is they do not broadcast the plan. I have no doubts they are working on some of the above, and hope they shore up Revis, McCourty and Connelly. Wilfork may still return. My guess is Vereen knew what type of deal he would get from the Pats, and wanted the bigger deal (see Woodhead, BJGE, etc.). Ridley is broken right now, so he may come back on a 2-year "prove it" deal, but likely would be better served picking up with a new team that doesn't go with committees to increase his current value.

Bruins29 said:

And you wonder why people act the way they do towards you.

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Man you had to turn it personal quick you must have some real strength behind your opinion.

Pathetic, you really are ****ing predictably pathetic with your posts. Go away, seriously stop quoting the posts of someone who has zero respect for you and could give 2 ****s what you have to say. Find someone who actually wants to hear what you have to say.

Brady6 said:

I know the team is coming off a Super Bowl win so the level of concern is diminished by that recent success. That said there is legitimate reason for concern.

Ridley - starting RB
Vereen - starting 3DRB
Connolly - starting LG and offensive captain
Wilfork - starting NT and defensive captain

McCourty - starting FS and defensive captain

Baring some last minute contract these players are all going to hit the UFA market on Tuesday.

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We've known for a long time that Ridley and Vereen would be FA this year (unless they were extended, and really, until Vereen this year neither showed being worth that). The Pats have made contingencies, and in an area they don't value. I'm not really worried about RB. Blount, Gray, (? White? Bush?)and Bolden are okay with me.

Connollly is old and he's had a bunch of concussions. If he comes back to play, I expect it to be with the Pats. There are also a bunch of decent vet interior linemen out there (tackles, not so much). I expect Connolly back, and if not, I expect he'll retire.

You have to get over Wilfork. I know, it hurts me too. But it is what it is and they weren't going to pay him 8+ million to play this year. He's not of that caliber anymore. Another guy who "could" be back, but at a vastly reduced rate, or he's another guy who might retire.

I am truly shocked that we have gotten this point with McCourty and Revis, Devin should have been extended last offseason, his brother accepted an extension from the Titans so I do not believe this was a case where he was determined to hit the open market.

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I'm surprised they let McCourty get to this point, too. But I've seen it before with this team. I was surprised when they extended Gronk and the Murderer early, as that's usually the shock with the Pats!

Revis I do not understand, why put a $25M number on year 2 and let it get to this point? Now we will have $5M in dead money against the cap even if we sign him later in the offseason. Wilfork, I shocked we couldn't get him to take a pay cut, on top of that Siliga is RFA and Branch is a UFA so unless you have 2 smaller DT in Chris Jones and Easley on the roster.

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You're only telling half the situation with Revis. Look at it the other way: we got one of the top 3 CBs in football, arguable #1, for 12 million and were able to spread that hit over two seasons (remember, we were eating 7 million for the Murderer last year). Both sides - Revis and the Pats - wanted to see how it would work out, I expect. Now they know nad we'll see what happens.

I think Siliga is an ERFA, which means they can sign him for vet minimum.

I think it is interesting how many of us talked about the Broncos going all last season, but their cap situation is significantly better than us, and they still have their star CB under contract (Talib).

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Their cap isn't that much different than ours, actually, when you add in the tag for DT and take out the 20m for Revis. And they will take dead money when some of the big vets they signed last year (Ware, for example, who was absolutely NOT worth what they paid for him). And they've got 15 UFA's, including Welker, JT, Franklin, Tamme, Knighton.

I don't know - IF we sign Revis, I like our situation better than theirs, particularly since we have a shiny new Lombardi in the office.

MassPats38 said:

It would if the player wants to test the market - there is one franchise tag. Every preventative measure comes with a price the team has to be willing to pay if the player wants to go that route. The Pats have a big turnover every year, and constantly add new pieces in order to adjust. Some players want the resume of playing for the Pats and move on to better deals. Others like the environment and will take a little less to play for a winner. But the players do know the Pats tend to offer less than the best deals in free agency, so it really depends on what the player is looking to do. Even kickers. And the Pats sign intelligent players, which means they are unlikely to accept an empty deal that will not risk big dead money hits with injury.

This year is no different than any other free agency period. I wish I could answer precisely what they were doing, but part of the reason people are anxious right now is they do not broadcast the plan. I have no doubts they are working on some of the above, and hope they shore up Revis, McCourty and Connelly. Wilfork may still return. My guess is Vereen knew what type of deal he would get from the Pats, and wanted the bigger deal (see Woodhead, BJGE, etc.). Ridley is broken right now, so he may come back on a 2-year "prove it" deal, but likely would be better served picking up with a new team that doesn't go with committees to increase his current value.

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I think not tagging McCourty was a mistake. This is a terrible UFA market in the secondary and not much of a draft either he is going to get a ton of interest.

Revis I just don't get the thinking.

This can't be serious thread...

Revis doesn't come to NE unless the Patriots add the crazy 25M 2015 year to the contract. So - are we happier that we are here, possibly losing Revis, but having won the SB or do we go back in time and tell Revis "no thank you, we don't want you at these terms" ?!!!?

The other players can come or go. The price has to fit in the overall plan. Keeping McCourty and Revis are the most important moves, but Revis > McCourty. Maybe they get it done, maybe they don't. But I for one am glad BB runs this ship - not Elway or the OP.

"Look on the bright side. I'm STILL under contract!"

Brady6 said:

Man you had to turn it personal quick you must have some real strength behind your opinion.

Pathetic, you really are ****ing predictably pathetic with your posts. Go away, seriously stop quoting the posts of someone who has zero respect for you and could give 2 ****s what you have to say. Find someone who actually wants to hear what you have to say.

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No, it was not really personal. I was just curious why you posted your opinion is some reality that only a few can see. Its called a question brah.

I dont think you should be calling anyone pathetic here. I mean really? You have done things on this board that go beyond pathetic. Should we rehash?

You sound mad brah.

Tunescribe said:

"Look on the bright side. I'm STILL under contract!"

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Wow, that took some time. But was inevitable.

Bruins29 said:

But it diddnt take you long to post another narcissistic "I know everything and those who cant see what I see are wrong" post. Had you just stated your opinion without the other garbage maybe you would not be ridiculed....again.

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Lol you are so simple you don't even see that you ridiculing posters that say something you don't agree with is the same thing only you are offensive in the process of being narcissistic.

For the record that line about the segment of posters who won't see it, that was specifically added for you, Ivan and a few others, I was essentially setting the bait that I knew you were going to take and unsurprisingly I was right. I was just letting everyone else know that 1/4 posts would be you or one of the other chicken farmers talking **** that has zero to do with anything.

PATSNUTme said:

We don't know if Revis is going to "hit the FA market", so your thread title is wrong. I'll change it.

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Brady6 being wrong about something. There's a novel thought.

If McCourty can get $9M a year for a few years, most of it guaranteed, he should grab it. Every $1M he banks is another generation of little McCourty's that he can underwrite. It would be profoundly selfish of him to walk away from that just because for 3-4 years of his 80 year life he wants to play for the Pats vs. another team.

The same is true for all of the other players.

Perhaps the Pats "can't come to an extension" because those players know they can get much bigger money from another team than the Pats.

Bruins29 said:

No, it was not really personal. I was just curious why you posted your opinion is some reality that only a few can see. Its called a question brah.

I dont think you should be calling anyone pathetic here. I mean really? You have done things on this board that go beyond pathetic. Should we rehash?

You sound mad brah.

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I didn't say you are pathetic I said you were "predictably pathetic with your posts on here" I was speaking to the post not the person. Simple comprehension.

betterthanthealternative said:

If McCourty can grab $9M a year for a few years, most of it guaranteed, he should grab it. Every $1M he banks is another generation of little McCourty's that he can underwrite. It would be profoundly selfish of him to walk away from that just because for 3-4 years of his 80 year life he wants to play for the Pats vs. another team.

The same is true for all of the other players.

Perhaps the Pats "can't come to an extension" because those players know they can get much bigger money from another team than the Pats.

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Nobody should denigrate players for doing something, if given the opportunity, they would. NFL players have a finite amount of time to make money playing football. If they're wise, they are set for life.

I don't begrudge potentially ex-Patriots for chasing the money (outside of A$ante for 42 that is).

Luxusdk said:

Elway gambled and lost BIGTIME.

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What did he gamble? He had a QB who if was healthy would have beaten Indy and most likely had home field vs the Pats? His TE got hurt.

...and as I understand it are $17m under the cap w/ the PM coupon of $4m.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/denver-broncos/

Brady6 said:

Lol you are so simple you don't even see that you ridiculing posters that say something you don't agree with is the same thing only you are offensive in the process of being narcissistic.

For the record that line about the segment of posters who won't see it, that was specifically added for you, Ivan and a few others, I was essentially setting the bait that I knew you were going to take and unsurprisingly I was right. I was just letting everyone else know that 1/4 posts would be you or one of the other chicken farmers talking **** that has zero to do with anything.

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Gun Hoe is calling me simple? Wow!

I asked you a question why you post the way you do. Now you are turning it around and saying that I am ridiculing posters? No, I respect the board. I just asked YOU a question.

Oh, and I see. Again, you are doing this to provoke people. Comical. No, you made a post that was not really well though out and kinda narcissistic and got called out by everyone.

Now that everyone is disagreeing with you, you want to try to spin this as you meant to post something stupid to provoke other posters. Instead you could have just agreed with everyone that you jumped the gun hoe. But I forgot narcissists cant do that and have to blame others for everything.

You are sad bro.

ausbacker said:

Brady6 being wrong about something. There's a novel thought.

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I'm right about the things I say on this board more than 99.9% of the posters on here and that's what pisses others off is they try and try but never succeed in their attempts to make me look wrong. I said "set to hit free agency" the general belief is that Revis is set to hit the market, if you want to hang your hat on a technicality that he is currently under contract for $25M a number we never even paid Tom Brady then you can feel free. But don't come out with troll statements cause you don't like the fact I'm more knowledgable than you and it makes you sad inside. Cause I'm not trolling around this board talking **** about you like a 12 year old.