RUMOR: Revis "to hit the market?"

Joker · Mar 8, 2015

"I'll tell you all THIS....SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!"------Incapacitated Joe Kerr

supafly · Mar 8, 2015

Brady2Moss said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/08/higher-average-greater-guarantee-could-pry-revis-from-the-pats/

It sounds like Florio has a source in the Revis camp as he was the one to first say that Revis did not view the 2nd year as anything more than a cap trick.

So basically he's talked to Revis' agent and it seems like we're offering 2 years fully guaranteed while someone MIGHT be offering 3 years fully guaranteed and maybe slightly more money than us.

Florio (aka agent mouth piece) is basically saying it'll take a large difference in guaranteed money and average salary to get Revis to even THINK about leaving the Patriots.

I think you should go back and re-read that speculation piece from Florio, which is basically nothing more than a wanna be blueprint for "what it may take to pry Revis away." He doesn't claim that he talked to Revis' agent and "we're offering two years fully guaranteed," nor does he say that "it will take a large difference in guaranteed money and average salary to get Revis to even think about leaving the Patriots."

As a matter of fact, I see nothing whatsover that suggests that he's talked to Revis or his agent at all.

Brady2Moss said:
Also, Incarcerated Bob is right a lot of the time, people want to act like he's always wrong, he's probably right 70% of the time. That's good enough for me when the trade off is news 24-48 hours early. He's especially good with Jets/Revis stuff being based in NY, he had our interest in Revis around the combine last year well before we lost Talib. Bob says the deal is imminent and I believe him.

There have been many different threads and posts on Incarcerated Bob and his "success" (or lack thereof), and we've had posters break down the numbers, which are basically right around 30 percent. That's a far cry from the "70" percent that you're stating.

I agree with you that the odds are probably in our favor, but I doubt that IB has any inside scoop on the matter. Either way, we'll know soon enough in a couple/few days at the latest.

supafly · Mar 8, 2015

ausbacker said:
I doubt Florio has a mole or a source in the Revis camp. Nobody has a ****ing clue what's going to happen with the Patriots, Jets and Revis. All we know is the Jets have attempted to tamper with Revis and will offer him a prized contract.

It was nothing more than a speculative article using the phrase "for example" in parentheses after all of his possibilities for what it may take to pry Revis away. A 5th grader could've written it, and probably done a better job too.

As you said--there's nothing in there that would lead anyone to believe that Florio has any news whatsoever. As a matter of fact, Florio may end up even further back in this story seeing as how he's come forth and suggested that the Pats and Revis haven't even begun to negotiate yet, when there were reports as far back as the beginning of the season which stated otherwise.

Brady2Moss · Mar 8, 2015

supafly said:
I think you should go back and re-read that speculation piece from Florio, which is basically nothing more than a wanna be blueprint for "what it may take to pry Revis away." He doesn't claim that he talked to Revis' agent and "we're offering two years fully guaranteed," nor does he say that "it will take a large difference in guaranteed money and average salary to get Revis to even think about leaving the Patriots."

As a matter of fact, I see nothing whatsover that suggests that he's talked to Revis or his agent at all.

There have been many different threads and posts on Incarcerated Bob and his "success" (or lack thereof), and we've had posters break down the numbers, which are basically right around 30 percent. That's a far cry from the "70" percent that you're stating.

I agree with you that the odds are probably in our favor, but I doubt that IB has any inside scoop on the matter. Either way, we'll know soon enough in a couple/few days at the latest.

I won't get into the bob stuff people have made up their minds on it and buried their head in the sand.

Yeah Florio didnt say that he talked to Revis' agent, read between the lines and its all there. He's not going to out his source or provide proof of tampering by saying 3 years HAS been offered. You think he's just pulling numbers out of his ass for no reason? He didn't need to include any numbers and would get the same number of clicks. It's there for a reason, he's couching what is going on in the negotiation and getting Revis' agent's message out to other teams.

supafly · Mar 8, 2015

Brady2Moss said:
Yeah Florio didnt say that he talked to Revis' agent, read between the lines and its all there. He's not going to out his source or provide proof of tampering by saying 3 years HAS been offered. You think he's just pulling numbers out of his ass for no reason? He didn't need to include any numbers and would get the same number of clicks. It's there for a reason.

There is absolutely nothing in there whatsoever, and the more you or anyone attempts to act like there is, the more I'm going to question people's ability to read and comprehend actual meaning (not meaning to come off of a **** to you, personally).

Here is the actual paragraph, which is nothing more than some speculation and made up projections with the words "for example" after his imaginary numbers/years:

FLORIO: "At some point, Revis and the Patriots will attempt to hammer out a new deal." (Thanks, Florio. No one would have guessed....)

FLORIO: "What Revis would get elsewhere will be a major factor in that discussion, with the key components being average salary and the extent to which the deal is fully guaranteed." (Really, Mike---you mean that average salary and fully guaranteed money will matter in the potential contract? We're all completely shocked...)

FLORIO: "Significantly more money per year and/or, for example, three years fully guaranteed from another team instead of, for example, two from the Patriots could prompt Revis to choose to leave New England" (NO ****!!!!!--Thanks for breaking that down to us, Florio! You could have used 2 years, 10 years, or 20 years-- "for example")

Brady2Moss · Mar 8, 2015

supafly said:
There is absolutely nothing in there whatsoever, and the more you or anyone attempts to act like there is, the more I'm going to question people's ability to read and comprehend actual meaning (not meaning to come off of a **** to you, personally).

Here is the actual paragraph, which is nothing more than some speculation and made up projections with the words "for example" after his imaginary numbers/years:

FLORIO: "At some point, Revis and the Patriots will attempt to hammer out a new deal." (Thanks, Florio. No one would have guessed....)

FLORIO: "What Revis would get elsewhere will be a major factor in that discussion, with the key components being average salary and the extent to which the deal is fully guaranteed." (Really, Mike---you mean that average salary and fully guaranteed money will matter in the potential contract? We're all completely shocked...)

FLORIO: "Significantly more money per year and/or, for example, three years fully guaranteed from another team instead of, for example, two from the Patriots could prompt Revis to choose to leave New England" (NO ****!!!!!--Thanks for breaking that down to us, Florio! You could have used 2 years, 10 years, or 20 years "for example")

If you think he pulled these numbers out of his ass that's fine, yeah if you read everything literally then I would have the same interpretation as you. I just don't believe these numbers are random or that he's an idiot for saying no serious negotiation has begun (as in no numbers were discussed as of Friday). Reiss said the same thing, Pats aren't going to give a number to be shopped around, they want Revis to get numbers and then they'll offer theirs.

This is a negotiation with a player that cannot be tampered with due to the option, everything has to be carefully worded by his agent and by the agent's mouthpiece (Florio) to avoid breaking any rules. I think Revis will be signed by tomorrow night.

supafly · Mar 8, 2015

Brady2Moss said:
If you think he pulled these numbers out of his ass that's fine, yeah if you read everything literally then I would have the same interpretation as you. I just don't believe these numbers are random or that he's an idiot for saying no serious negotiation has begun (as in no numbers were discussed as of Friday). Reiss said the same thing, Pats aren't going to give a number to be shopped around, they want Revis to get numbers and then they'll offer theirs.

This is a negotiation with a player that cannot be tampered with due to the option, everything has to be carefully worded by his agent and by the agent's mouthpiece (Florio) to avoid breaking any rules. I think Revis will be signed by tomorrow night.

Yeah, it's just a difference of opinion, so I certainly don't mean to come off as argumentative. I just look at the article and see nothing more than speculation within reason, especially with the wording of "for example" after both of his projections. To me, it's as close to a puff piece as you can come, without talking about the team mascot or its head cheerleader.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Revis is likely to command something between 2-3 yrs fully guaranteed when you assume that the CB market is going to pay him between 12-15 million per year, so I don't think Florio is simply "pulling numbers out of his ass" as you say. I think he's got a fairly easy range to go by. I think most of us would project Revis' guaranteed money to be anywhere between 30-45 million dollars.

Either way, we all hope that you're right and Revis is re-signed soon! Go Pats!

ausbacker · Mar 8, 2015

supafly said:
It was nothing more than a speculative article using the phrase "for example" in parentheses after all of his possibilities for what it may take to pry Revis away. A 5th grader could've written it, and probably done a better job too.

As you said--there's nothing in there that would lead anyone to believe that Florio has any news whatsoever. As a matter of fact, Florio may end up even further back in this story seeing as how he's come forth and suggested that the Pats and Revis haven't even begun to negotiate yet, when there were reports as far back as the beginning of the season which stated otherwise.

There's a host of people whose opinions I value on here. Generally those people have no reason to lie and when they make an opinion piece, they state it as an opinion piece. Almost all of them have been consistent in their views toward both Florio and Bob.

As much as I love heading into free agency, large factions of the media run with things that develop storylines with ambiguity and leeway. It's clickbait, gather followers 101. Give yourself enough leeway to be right or not completely wrong and then run with whatever happens. If they moved in corporate circles, they would be out of a job on the first day. Look at Mort and the 11/12 claim.

Brady_to_Moss · Mar 8, 2015

Florio lives in a cave that slime ball

ausbacker · Mar 8, 2015

Brady_to_Moss said:
Florio lives in a cave that slime ball

Florio, Tomase and Felger walk into a bar... How hard did you hit them?

Rob0729 · Mar 8, 2015

Brady2Moss said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ater-guarantee-could-pry-revis-from-the-pats/

It sounds like Florio has a source in the Revis camp as he was the one to first say that Revis did not view the 2nd year as anything more than a cap trick.

So basically he's talked to Revis' agent and it seems like we're offering 2 years fully guaranteed while someone MIGHT be offering 3 years fully guaranteed and maybe slightly more money than us.

Florio (aka agent mouth piece) is basically saying it'll take a large difference in guaranteed money and average salary to get Revis to even THINK about leaving the Patriots.

To me this means he's staying if it takes a huge difference to even begin thinking about leaving, seems like similar stuff to last years Revis/Jets stories to get a few more dollars out of the Pats. He's as good as back IMO.

Also, Incarcerated Bob is right a lot of the time, people want to act like he's always wrong, he's probably right 70% of the time. That's good enough for me when the trade off is news 24-48 hours early. He's especially good with Jets/Revis stuff being based in NY, he had our interest in Revis around the combine last year well before we lost Talib. Bob says the deal is imminent and I believe him.

IDK, I think Florio is stating the obvious. I doubt it is inside information.

It is clear that the Revis camp didn't view the second year as a real year. And Florio wasn't the first to say that. Everyone talked about it when the deal was signed last year.

And being a 30 year old player looking at his last big deal, of course the guaranteed money will be a huge factor in his decision. Hell, every player are more concerned about the guaranteed money these days than the total amount because most deals no matter how long they are in length are in reality only 2-3 year deals before a team will go to the player and ask them to restructure. Look at Seattle and Russell Wilson, they are reportedly negotiating a deal where he will take less than his value, but make the entire contract guaranteed. In the NFL, it is all about the guaranteed money for players.

I'm sorry, but Florio is just being the master of the obvious when it comes to Revis.

Rob0729 · Mar 8, 2015

From Rich Cimini:

One AFC executive predicted Revis will fetch a three-year, $50 million contract. He probably won't get that much from the Patriots, who don't deflate when it comes to negotiating contracts. They're hardball all the way, expecting their stars to accept less than market in exchange for the joy of being part of the Patriot Way. By contrast, the Jets, perhaps motivated by their desire to stick it to their archrival and win the offseason, probably will overpay for the almost-30 cornerback.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/je...otes-can-the-jets-keep-brandon-marshall-happy

It is noteworthy since the AFC Executive expects Revis to get $16.7 million a year.

It is crap because Cimini has no clue how the Pats work. The Pats have and will pay for elite, once in a generation type of players. They have paid top of the market deals to Vinatieri, Seymour, Wilfork, Brady, and Mankins.

Rob0729 · Mar 8, 2015

Another most likely BS Tweet by a nobody, but I did find this on Twitter:

Source close to the #Patriots suggests a 4 year deal with Revis could be finalized in the next 24 hours.

https://twitter.com/Patriot10x/status/574547696343777280

MossWelkowski · Mar 8, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Another most likely BS Tweet by a nobody, but I did find this on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/Patriot10x/status/574547696343777280

"Could be"?? No crap. Suh "could" sign with pats but won't.

If it was "will" then I'd be interested

Gronkowski123 · Mar 8, 2015

Rob0729 said:
From Rich Cimini:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/je...otes-can-the-jets-keep-brandon-marshall-happy

It is noteworthy since the AFC Executive expects Revis to get $16.7 million a year.

It is crap because Cimini has no clue how the Pats work. The Pats have and will pay for elite, once in a generation type of players. They have paid top of the market deals to Vinatieri, Seymour, Wilfork, Brady, and Mankins.

sounds like something the jets would do. if revis goes back to NY i hope he enjoys winning 5 games a year.

Kdo5 · Mar 8, 2015

Gronkowski123 said:
sounds like something the jets would do. if revis goes back to NY i hope he enjoys winning 5 games a year.

Woody Johnson would do something for a large purpose of being a pest. But that's fine. If he over pays so be it. He'll still be a perennial loser. He can win some of the petty battles but that's about it. NYJ are a joke.

Ross12 · Mar 8, 2015

I'm looking forward to news of Revis re-signing breaking... It'll be great.

I was having dinner with my wife in a TGI Fridays last year when I got the alert on my iPhone that the Pats had signed Revis in free agency to replace Talib. I lost my sh*t in the middle of the restaurant.

Patriots1364life · Mar 8, 2015

This is ridiculous already. Just go after cromartie.

BUSTAMOVE · Mar 8, 2015

Hoping a favorable Revis deal comes down soon. We have other business to attend to no matter the outcome.

Miquel stated in one of my comments that Brady is to make 14 million this year. I do know Brady is playing for less than he could get if he were a pig at a trough like the others. I believe with that philosophy stressed by the Pats, Revis cannot make more per year than Brady. He has not yet earned that role of being payed higher than our Franchise player.

We can argue that Revis is worth more than the 14 mil figure just not with this team. It is how we always did business and it has been successful. Brady may be fine with leaving money on the table to strengthen the team. Not to leave it for someone else to come in for one year's worth of service to surpass his discounted salary.

I love Revis and want him here I just think the above needs to be taken in consideration.

JMC00 · Mar 8, 2015

Rob0729 said:
From Rich Cimini:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/je...otes-can-the-jets-keep-brandon-marshall-happy

It is noteworthy since the AFC Executive expects Revis to get $16.7 million a year.

It is crap because Cimini has no clue how the Pats work. The Pats have and will pay for elite, once in a generation type of players. They have paid top of the market deals to Vinatieri, Seymour, Wilfork, Brady, and Mankins.

Bet that "AFC executive" works for the jests

RUMOR: Revis "to hit the market?"

PatsFans.com Supporter

Eff you, Shula

Eff you, Shula

2nd Team Getting Their First Start

Eff you, Shula

2nd Team Getting Their First Start

Eff you, Shula

TB12

28-3....

TB12

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

Pro Bowl Player

Pro Bowl Player

Moderator

Third String But Playing on Special Teams

In the Starting Line-Up

Pro Bowl Player

Similar threads