McCourty Back to Corner?

FourierSeries · Mar 17, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
I think we need to pump the brakes a little on Butler as a starting corner.
I mean I love him for that final play as much as anyone, but he is the same guy the whole room was yelling at for getting picked on earlier in the game. One great play doesn't change a season of being targetted heavily, and successfully whenever he took the field.

He wasn't getting picked on. Butler played flawlessly in the SB whenever he was on the field. There is not a single mistake he made that I can remember.

mikey m · Mar 17, 2015

FreeTedWilliams said:
You can pretend that the losses of Revis and Browner does not mean that the Pats will be back to the days of regularly giving up 14 yard completions on 3rd and 10, some people like to live in denial.

McCourty is a decent safety, BUT he is no where near the player that some here make him out to be. The Pats could have easily survived his departure (and would have claimed a 3rd round comp pick courtesy of whatever team over paid him). Unfortunately it was the Pats who overpaid him while letting Revis slide out the door. I'm pretty much convinced with the egregious Jets tampering, the Pats were never going to re-sign Revis once he hit the open market (anyone who thought he would take less than a King's ransom, just hasn't been paying attention to the last 7 years). So the only logical move should have been to clear the cap space and pick up the 20 million dollar option. Then the Pats would have had another year to negotiate. Once the Pats signed McCourty, Revis was gone. I'm sorry but I will forever look at McCourty's contract as the money that the Pats should have spent on Revis. Brady has 3 years left, keeping Revis for at least one more of them, would have been the smarter choice.

As for moving McCourty back to CB, after his rookie year, he was constantly getting beat. Just check out the Baltimore game last year and see how bad he was at covering TEs, let alone a #1 WR. Talib was a major upgrade from McCourty and Revis was an upgrade from Talib. Everyone in the Pats secondary (especially McCourty) benefited from Revis being out there. McCourty has never had to play safety without a top end CB in front of him. Now its going to be Dennard and Butler, yeah good luck with that.

I liked the signing of Chandler, I think he is an upgrade over Hooman.
I agreed with not picking up Vince's option.
I love the Sheard signing.
I thought that resigning Branch was good.

I really think the Pats should have resigned Vereen, I think they might regret letting him go. Everyone says that he is replaceable, BUT it seems all the replacements, have shunned the Pats offers. I saw nothing from White last year that makes me think he can do the job.

and oh, BTW, the Pats still don't have a replacement for Connelly.

Hopefully the draft will be a great success for the Pats, but so far, this off-season has been god awful for the Pats!

Tell me the Pats wouldn't be in much better shape right now, if they had retained Revis instead of McCourty!

Sooo as GM you would have have given Revis $25M then signed chandler, sheared, Branch, vereen, and an upgrade for Conolly. Seems legit. Why did our front office not think of this?

Ring 6 · Mar 17, 2015

JackBauer said:
If that's the case, ought we not pump the brakes on Harmon as a starting safety?

Sure, but Harmon has played more, and has not been picked on when he is in there.

Ring 6 · Mar 17, 2015

FourierSeries said:
He wasn't getting picked on. Butler played flawlessly in the SB whenever he was on the field. There is not a single mistake he made that I can remember.

He was thrown at a lot and allowed completions. I'm not knocking him but you have to be honest and recognize he was targetted often whenever he was on the field, including the SB. Most of the commentary during the season when he played was about how he competed and was close to the WR when he made the catch.

Bobs My Uncle · Mar 17, 2015

It all boils down to how the coaches view this equation:

Is CB McCourty + S Harmon > S McCourty + CB (Ryan or Butler or X)?

FourierSeries · Mar 17, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
He was thrown at a lot and allowed completions. I'm not knocking him but you have to be honest and recognize he was targetted often whenever he was on the field, including the SB. Most of the commentary during the season when he played was about how he competed and was close to the WR when he made the catch.

He wasn't picked on successfully is what I meant. Not in the SB at least. He made several nice plays to stop huge plays in key situations.

Yes, I know during the regular season he allowed completions. But who doesn't? He was a rookie who got better every time he stepped onto the field. I have full confidence in him as our #2.

Ring 6 · Mar 17, 2015

Bobs My Uncle said:
It all boils down to how the coaches view this equation:

Is CB McCourty + S Harmon > S McCourty + CB (Ryan or Butler or X)?

And that really emphasizes why our pondering of personnel are so flawed.
BB has seen Harmon and Ryan for 2 years, in camp, in practice, in meetings, in games.
He has seen Dennard and Wilson for 3 years.
Given this question, he could very likely give a very confident answer about where these players are, what their strengths and weaknesses are, how their development has gone, what they need to work on, what their ceiling is, etc, etc.
It is even harder for us to estimate any of those things with guys who are reserves, because we see so little of them, and sometimes it is in a limited or different role.

Ring 6 · Mar 17, 2015

FourierSeries said:
He wasn't picked on successfully is what I meant. Not in the SB at least. He made several nice plays to stop huge plays in key situations.

I think you are optimistic here.

Yes, I know during the regular season he allowed completions. But who doesn't? He was a rookie who got better every time he stepped onto the field. I have full confidence in him as our #2.

Everyone allows completions is like saying Revis and Arrington are the same.
I did not see him get better every time he stepped on the field. His playing time did not imply that either.
I think he has a chance to be a good player, but no way am I confident he can go all the way from part time player who struggled often to a #2 corner. I hope he can, but it is a longshot.

DarrylS · Mar 17, 2015

I think McCourty will remain at Safety, as that seems to be a natural place for him and he has excelled there.

The Cornerbacks are fluid, and not sure that one of the opening day CB's are even on the roster right now.. there is a plan, but BB is being selfish with it.

FibSeq13478 · Mar 17, 2015

DarrylS said:
I think McCourty will remain at Safety, as that seems to be a natural place for him and he has excelled there.

The Cornerbacks are fluid, and not sure that one of the opening day CB's are even on the roster right now.. there is a plan, but BB is being selfish with it.

I think best use of 10m/yr cap spent on McCourty is to have him play safety occasionally when we need single high safety play but switch him to play corner otherwise.

Gumby · Mar 17, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
I think we need to pump the brakes a little on Butler as a starting corner.
I mean I love him for that final play as much as anyone, but he is the same guy the whole room was yelling at for getting picked on earlier in the game. One great play doesn't change a season of being targetted heavily, and successfully whenever he took the field.

Huuuuh??
When EARLIER?
He didn't see the field for I think over half the game.

Ring 6 · Mar 17, 2015

Gumby said:
Huuuuh??
When EARLIER?
He didn't see the field for I think over half the game.

He was targeted a number of times as soon as he entered the game.

zipster9 · Mar 17, 2015

I just do not want to see Ryan as a LCB or RCB.. He is a liability at these positions. Slot, yes.

At this point, McCourty-Dennard? Harmon-Dennard? Butler-Dennard? McCourty-Butler?

None above?

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