How about trading Mayo to LB-starved 49ers

glm · Mar 21, 2015

pdangle said:
I'd hope most here are above this. I hope it's just hypothetically, if NE NEEDED desperately to make room, Mayo would surely be a good candidate with a high cap #, and high value to other teams, especially SF.

But hey, with my favorite 1-year rental player gone, is cap space even still an issue this year. Next year maybe.

I'm actually excited, and hoping injury gods let it happen, what a healthy Mayo will add coming back to the front 7. This guy is top caliber. His injuries seem unlucky to me, more so than frailty.

Were gonna add 2 players to the existing LB/OLD core actually.

Aside from the incredible depth and injury protection BB is amassing at DE/OLB and LB, just imagine a siiiick rotation of the 3 LBs (collins, ht, mayo) and 3 DE's (nink, sheard, jones) into 4 spots (or 5 or even 6 i guess) a la SEA 2013, pre player drain SB #1 season. Remember how frenzied they were on D? How much motor? And gas left in the tank end of every game? That is all the result of fresh legs. This is what IMO BB is trying to achieve, and it's within the mad scientist's grasp if all goes healthily. Just think how much better on a play basis Jones could be if he got a little rest every now and then. These guys will be animals. Collins? You kidding me. Keep him primed and ready to unleash, but not, every play. I like what NE has right now.

Don't forget they were using hightower as more of a 3-4 olb before mayo got injured and he was causing havoc and chaos in opponents backfields. I for one can't wait to see this front sevens versatility next season

Oswlek · Mar 21, 2015

It's funny how a discussion can get so heated when it clearly has no basis in fact.

Mayo isn't worth nearly as much on the trade market as he is to the Patriots, particularly since a restructure seems like a forgone conclusion. And with Ayers/Casillas gone and HT recovering, the team doesn't have enough depth at LB to absorb a loss of that magnitude. It just isn't going to happen.

I'd add in that there is a lot more historic precedent for a dominant front covering for a sketchy back end than there is for the opposite.

glm · Mar 21, 2015

Oswlek said:
I'd add in that there is a lot more historic precedent for a dominant front covering for a sketchy back end than there is for the opposite.

You'd think most patriot fans would realize this considering those are the defenses that usually give the pats trouble (giants, ravens). Then again it's likely that the chicken little's actually don't know much about football, so it's understandable that this concept would fly over there heads

RayClay · Mar 21, 2015

DP937 said:
Mayo is still a good player but replaceable in New England.

You forgot to finish that thought. who replaces him?

RayClay · Mar 21, 2015

DP937 said:
As much as the Pats play in nickle Defense, adding a good pass rusher via draft or another Collins Via draft is why I believe Mayo is expendable. Like I said earlier If Kiko Alonso can get traded coming back from major injury, Mayo can to. And there is a big need in San Fran.

A pass rusher better than either Collins or Hightower?

PatsWickedPissah · Mar 21, 2015

Miguel said:
Is there anyone who thinks that Mayo will be on the Patriots 2015 roster at his current cap number? .

Mrs Mayo?

PP2 · Mar 21, 2015

It takes years to become acclimated to this type of brainy defense

Oswlek said:
It's funny how a discussion can get so heated when it clearly has no basis in fact.

Mayo isn't worth nearly as much on the trade market as he is to the Patriots, particularly since a restructure seems like a forgone conclusion. And with Ayers/Casillas gone and HT recovering, the team doesn't have enough depth at LB to absorb a loss of that magnitude. It just isn't going to happen.

I'd add in that there is a lot more historic precedent for a dominant front covering for a sketchy back end than there is for the opposite.

In addition to which Mayo is quite valuable in that he not only knows the defense very well, but can also maneuver in it and help facilitate the role-swapping and reversed looks that BB is so fond of giving, as far as giving on-field directions and cues. With him marshalling the field, Hightower and Collins can then slip into specialized roles, align to a specific tech, etc.

With him out, we saw a lot less of that from Hightower who had to stay back and multi-task.

I liken Mayo to the hub of a spoked wheel. The hub doesn't look like it moves much, but it holds the whole wheel together.

RI Patriots fan · Mar 21, 2015

Miguel said:
Is there anyone who thinks that Mayo will be on the Patriots 2015 roster at his current cap number? I am pretty sure that pretty much everyone acknowledges that when Mayo gets healthy that he and the Pats will look to redo his deal.

JarofMayo seemed to be suggesting in post #84 that he wouldn't cut Mayo's cap number. If he was suggesting otherwise then his argument that followed seemed to contradict that viewpoint.

RI Patriots fan · Mar 21, 2015

ausbacker said:
You made a comment that Mayo brought no value to the team last season. I showed you how he could have brought value. Perhaps you should reconsider making broad sweeping statements without considering more than one factor.

Yes, your supposition was merely that......a supposition. You have no evidence to show that he did any of those things. More importantly, do the Patritots place much value in what he might have done? Was there a better team leader or mentor or locker room guy than Wilfork........and how much did the team value that this year?

The bottom line is that the team pays for on field performance and Mayo provided zero value last year on the field (or the year before, for that matter).

glm · Mar 21, 2015

BobDigital said:
He more often than not frees up other guys to make plays rather than goes for it himself. I am not saying he never makes big plays cause he does but I don't see him as a LB that will pick off a pass and run it back for a TD.

You've got to be kidding me. Using that logic makes Mayo an extremely valuable, unselfish player, and you'd have to be an idiot to trade a player like that. That's like wanting to trade a prime Vince Wilfork because he doesn't get a lot of sacks.

glm · Mar 21, 2015

DW Toys said:
BB will listen to a realistic offer. So yes it is possible (see never trade Miloy, Mankins, Seymour etc.)
Seymour was in the same boat. In fact he was healthy and about Mayo's age. I don't know if they have players that work. Maybe a swap and slide of picks from Round two or Round three plus a later pick?
It is a CAP win for us. Did not want to see VW go either.
DW Toys

The Seymour situation was completely different. For starters we didn't trade Seymour we let him become a free agent. The only reason why we let him become a free agent was because Wilfork was also set to be a free agent. They had to choose Seymour or Wilfork and they chose Wilfork. In other words no, Seymour was not in the same boat. His and Mayo's situations are in completely different oceans.

ausbacker · Mar 21, 2015

RI Patriots fan said:
Yes, your supposition was merely that......a supposition. You have no evidence to show that he did any of those things. More importantly, do the Patritots place much value in what he might have done? Was there a better team leader or mentor or locker room guy than Wilfork........and how much did the team value that this year?

The bottom line is that the team pays for on field performance and Mayo provided zero value last year on the field (or the year before, for that matter).

You should read this article then reassess your comments on Mayo and suppositions. If you don't agree with Hightower's words, that is on you.

condon84 · Mar 22, 2015

glm said:
The Seymour situation was completely different. For starters we didn't trade Seymour we let him become a free agent. The only reason why we let him become a free agent was because Wilfork was also set to be a free agent. They had to choose Seymour or Wilfork and they chose Wilfork. In other words no, Seymour was not in the same boat. His and Mayo's situations are in completely different oceans.

We traded Seymour to the Raiders for a 1st round pick which was used to pick Solder.

glm · Mar 22, 2015

condon84 said:
We traded Seymour to the Raiders for a 1st round pick which was used to pick Solder.

You're right I had a brain fart.

1960Pats · Mar 22, 2015

condon84 said:
We traded Seymour to the Raiders for a 1st round pick which was used to pick Solder.

It's all coming back to me now. The Raiders were averaging 4 wins a season for seven years and when we had their first pick they had one of their two 8-8 seasons and then went back to 3 or 4 wins since. IOW we could have had better luck with that pick.

Snake Eyes · Mar 22, 2015

glm said:
More versatility for starters. Plus you don't have the slightest clue if he'll be injured next year so that is irrelevant

Injuries mount, reducing effectiveness, and making future injuries more likely.

glm · Mar 23, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
Injuries mount, reducing effectiveness, and making future injuries more likely.

Then we might as well trade gronk too while we're at it

patchick · Mar 23, 2015

1960Pats said:
It's all coming back to me now. The Raiders were averaging 4 wins a season for seven years and when we had their first pick they had one of their two 8-8 seasons and then went back to 3 or 4 wins since. IOW we could have had better luck with that pick.

Yep, if the Raiders had just had their normal season, J.J. Watt would surely be a Patriot. I keep trying to forget that.

Snake Eyes · Mar 23, 2015

glm said:
Then we might as well trade gronk too while we're at it

Gronk IS less effective than in years before his injuries, but we have NOT been able to get it done without him, big difference.

glm · Mar 23, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
Gronk IS less effective than in years before his injuries, but we have NOT been able to get it done without him, big difference.

Gronk is less effective after his injuries then in years past, eh? Let's look at those years. Before gronk got his injuries he played two full seasons and the first 10 games of 2012. Let's look at the stat lines for those years:

2010 - 42-546-10
2011 - 90-1327-17
2012 - 53-648-10

His average stat line per game extrapolated to a 16 game season looks like:
70-960-14

His stat line last year:
82-1124-12

So no, Gronk is still the same effective Gronk that he's always been.

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