Dude, posts like this really take away from productive discussion.
It's not possible to have a productive discussion with a tebot.
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Tim Tebow, not Mark Sanchez, must start for New York Jets - NFL.com
Even Heath Evans knows that Tim can help a team WIN!:rocker:
Most of Tim's supporters are just trying to say is that while Tebow has flaws as a passer, he's not as bad as some make him out to be and that he could possibly improve if given the chance to do so again in the NFL. Because he is just as good if not better than many of the BACKUP Quarterbacks in the league. Thus, he should get a chance again to be a BACKUP QB in the NFL again.
Tim Tebow, not Mark Sanchez, must start for New York Jets - NFL.com
Even Heath Evans knows that Tim can help a team WIN!:rocker:
Most of Tim's supporters are just trying to say is that while Tebow has flaws as a passer, he's not as bad as some make him out to be and that he could possibly improve if given the chance to do so again in the NFL. Because he is just as good if not better than many of the BACKUP Quarterbacks in the league. Thus, he should get a chance again to be a BACKUP QB in the NFL again.
And hopefully you will note that Manning went from 48.2% his first year of starting to 63.9% in his SEVENTH year as a starter, which is an increase of 15.2 pts over the years.
Take Tebow's 46.5% and give it a 15.2 pt bump and that would put him at 62.2%. I doubt that he would improve 15 pts, but 10 or 11 pts wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, and that would put him at around 58% give or take.
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The absolute MOST IMPORTANT thing that Tebow has to do at this time is fix his mechanics and be consistent with them. Best way to do that wasn't to sign up with the CFL, rather, it was to go work INTENSIVELY with someone like Tom House. Not a week, or two, or three, but months and months and months of work.
Will it pay off ? Who knows. It might or it might not.
What are you talking about? You want to give Tebow credit for the improvement of another player? How exactly does that work?And hopefully you will note that Manning went from 48.2% his first year of starting to 63.9% in his SEVENTH year as a starter, which is an increase of 15.2 pts over the years.
Take Tebow's 46.5% and give it a 15.2 pt bump and that would put him at 62.2%. I doubt that he would improve 15 pts, but 10 or 11 pts wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, and that would put him at around 58% give or take.
But no one is doing that. I am looking at his ABILITY. You will note I have never said his completion percentage is the evidence he is a bad QB, I have consistently said it is that he cannot throw the ball accurately, on top of his other flaws that you have pointed out.Point is, it's silly to look at Tebow's 46.5% comp % over his first 14 starts in the NFL and conclude that this proves he isn't an NFL QB.
And that has absolutely nothing to do with Tim Tebow. It is what Eli Manning accomplished.As noted, Eli Manning is now at 63+% and has won 2 freaking SBs, even though he had a 48.2% comp % in his first season taking over as the starter.
Again, completely irrelevant.BTW, since you brought Yards per Attempt into it, in Eli's first year, his Y/A was 5.3. Tebow's was 6.3.
Which is meaningless unless you demonstrate that Tebow has similar ability and can improve, which you cannot.Look, I didn't get into this discussion to rehash the entire Tebow debate. Rather, I took issue with a couple of comments that were made. Don't remember all of them at this second, by the most notable ones had to do with him having not gone to the CFL.
IF you want to go through the whole debate, that's fine, I'm game. I'll happily point out that Tebow's stats through his first 14 starts were comparable to Eli's stats though his first 14 starts.
It is possible for some QBs to improve. But not really possible for Tebow because he lacks the requisite skill.Does that mean that Tebow definitely would follow the same path and develop into a very good QB ? Nope. But what it does show is that it is POSSIBLE. It also shows that it's silly to look at those stats from his first 14 games and conclude that he will never be an NFL QB.
This 'mechanics' euphamism for he doesn't throw the football well is old and tired. Mechanics were the excuse for his slow delivery. Now they are being made the excuse for the fact that he cannot accurately throw the football. The bottom line is that he does not throw the ball at an NFL QB caliber level.The absolute MOST IMPORTANT thing that Tebow has to do at this time is fix his mechanics and be consistent with them.
Look, if your answer is that a QB who doesn't throw well should just go throw a whole bunch of passes and hope it gets better as the response to no team wanting him, I'm not sure what to tell you.Best way to do that wasn't to sign up with the CFL, rather, it was to go work INTENSIVELY with someone like Tom House. Not a week, or two, or three, but months and months and months of work.
Not sure how it could, since no one wants him in camp.Will it pay off ? Who knows. It might or it might not.
Tim Tebow, not Mark Sanchez, must start for New York Jets - NFL.com
Even Heath Evans knows that Tim can help a team WIN!:rocker:
Most of Tim's supporters are just trying to say is that while Tebow has flaws as a passer, he's not as bad as some make him out to be and that he could possibly improve if given the chance to do so again in the NFL. Because he is just as good if not better than many of the BACKUP Quarterbacks in the league. Thus, he should get a chance again to be a BACKUP QB in the NFL again.
Look, if your answer is that a QB who doesn't throw well should just go throw a whole bunch of passes and hope it gets better as the response to no team wanting him, I'm not sure what to tell you.
His ability has been demonstrated and no one wants him. It would seem to me that the only way to turn that around would be to go succeed on a football field somewhere and prove them wrong. I'm pretty sure you could go play in the Arena League or CFL and still work with a coach on the side.
Then explain to us why 32 teams don't agree with you and don't think he can make their roster even at veteran minimum?
Tim Tebow, not Mark Sanchez, must start for New York Jets - NFL.com
Even Heath Evans knows that Tim can help a team WIN!:rocker:
Most of Tim's supporters are just trying to say is that while Tebow has flaws as a passer, he's not as bad as some make him out to be and that he could possibly improve if given the chance to do so again in the NFL. Because he is just as good if not better than many of the BACKUP Quarterbacks in the league. Thus, he should get a chance again to be a BACKUP QB in the NFL again.
What are you talking about? You want to give Tebow credit for the improvement of another player? How exactly does that work?
And where do you get this arbitrary 10 or 11? Based upon last preseason he did not show any improvement at all.
But no one is doing that. I am looking at his ABILITY. You will note I have never said his completion percentage is the evidence he is a bad QB, I have consistently said it is that he cannot throw the ball accurately, on top of his other flaws that you have pointed out.
And that has absolutely nothing to do with Tim Tebow. It is what Eli Manning accomplished.
Again, completely irrelevant.
Which is meaningless unless you demonstrate that Tebow has similar ability and can improve, which you cannot.
Your argument says that every QB who plays bad is good because you found one who turned the tables and improved.
It is possible for some QBs to improve. But not really possible for Tebow because he lacks the requisite skill.
This 'mechanics' euphamism for he doesn't throw the football well is old and tired. Mechanics were the excuse for his slow delivery. Now they are being made the excuse for the fact that he cannot accurately throw the football. The bottom line is that he does not throw the ball at an NFL QB caliber level.
Look, if your answer is that a QB who doesn't throw well should just go throw a whole bunch of passes and hope it gets better as the response to no team wanting him, I'm not sure what to tell you.
His ability has been demonstrated and no one wants him. It would seem to me that the only way to turn that around would be to go succeed on a football field somewhere and prove them wrong. I'm pretty sure you could go play in the Arena League or CFL and still work with a coach on the side.
Not sure how it could, since no one wants him in camp.
So what that 32 teams don't agree ? Billy Beane showed that EVERY single team in baseball and the hundreds or thousands of "experts" had been looking at players the wrong way and had been doing so for 50+ years.
Second point is that even amongst the 32, you don't know what the rationale was behind their decisions. You PRESUME that every single team thinks that Tebow isn't an NFL QB. It could be that he just doesn't fit into their roster plans. I.e. they are happy with their starter and their #2, and don't want to carry 3 QBs.
Told you you can't argue with a tebot.Jesus, really ? You think that Tebow has just spent his time throwing a bunch of passes and hoping that he's gotten better ?
Seriously ? That's your take on it ? What? You think he just grabs someone and says "Hey, let's go out and play some catch?"
The stupidity of that statement shows that it's really kind of pointless to even try to engage you in a meaningful conversation.
Got a newsflash for you son, working with a "mechanics guru" for 8 hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week, for months on end is NOT just sitting around throwing the ball and hoping to get better.
That you apparently don't understand that speaks volumes about you.
If the guy can find a way back - I will always root for him - even if against his team. I don't know if he'll ever make it, but I do know, no one will work harder trying than he will - just may not be enough.
Told you you can't argue with a tebot.
Tebow put on the worst display of qb play the world has ever seen. But all he needs is some tinkering with his "mechanics" and one more chance! Comedy gold!
Yet somehow he managed to take over a 1-4 team and go 8 and 6 with them including a playoff victory.
Yep, worst QB ever.