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Gosh I hate to say it, but the Jets defense is the story of season so far in the NFL. Playing two of the top offenses in the league, they have yet to allow a TD. Its early in the season of course.
 
Re: Thoughts on the game and a good, long look at this team... and it's not good.

Now you're just being ******ed. Is he *****ing or is he posting his own analysis? You're the one wasting space.

Whatever buddy? All I know from todays game is that Edelman is going to be a great slot player. Further down the line when teams invert their starting corners to the inside to negate Welker, he's gonna pay big dividends. I won't waste your time with any ludicrous football talk, carry on with the heart stuff.......
 
Re: Okay I'll say it, Brady sucked today

One would assume you're not being serious?

Dripping with sarcasm Ian. I thought it was obvious, but maybe on a day like today it isn't.
 
Re: Okay I'll say it, Brady sucked today

Dripping with sarcasm Ian. I thought it was obvious, but maybe on a day like today it isn't.

Careful....tough to read after the reactions from everyone from this game :)
 
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Re: Okay I'll say it, Brady sucked today

Dripping with sarcasm Ian. I thought it was obvious, but maybe on a day like today it isn't.

You fooled me. I've seen sillier comments that were serious though, so...
 
Okay here, I'll do what you guys want me to do.

Wow! That team sure did look great today didn't it? Brady was ON FIRE! The running game was used effectively as we ran 364 yards and 6 TDs. The OL blocking was awesome as well as not even a single fly could get into our backfield. Coaching was excellent as well. All in all, I think we played a good, smart, penalty free game.

Nah, but your analysis was a little overwrought in the drama department. It's game 2. There are a lot of bodies flying around out there that weren't here last year. Expect a learning curve. People tend to make this **** too complicated. It's blocking and tackling. There wasn't enough of either today.
 
Re: Thoughts on the game and a good, long look at this team... and it's not good.

I honestly can't remember the last time I saw the team as a whole look as pathetic as they did today. And, when you read this, keep in mind that I have a long history on this forum and those that know me don't generally know me to be a "Chicken Little". There just didn't seem to be any heart from top to bottom. Here are my thoughts:

1. Brady: If he keeps playing scared like he did today and last week, it's going to be a long season for us. I had actually made a thread in the preseason detailing my concerns about how he wasn't stepping into his throws all the way and looked skiddish in the pocket and had it dismissed by others who quickly reminded me that, "it's the preseason". Too true. It's just too bad those concerns translated into the regular season. Tommy came out last week and immediately pulled the same stunt. His mechanics bordered on horrible. Sure, he was pressured at times. But even at times which he wasn't pressured, he seemed to be hurring his throws and not stepping fully into a pass. For some reason, that stopped in the 4th quarter. Jaws was kind enough to point out to us that Brady began stepping into his throws and, when that happened, we were able to drive effortlessly down the field which Brady comfortably making throws within and outside of 15 yards. Today, he just didn't seem to carry that 4th quarter confidence over with him and again looked rusty. From beginning to the end he never seemed comfortable and, even during times when the pressure wasn't there, didn't fully step into throws and/or hurried them. It's very obvious that the mental hurdle for Brady is still a very tall one and our offensive line doesn't seem to be helping him out that much. Hopefully he can get his act together because the season doesn't appear to get any easier with match-ups against Atlanta and Baltimore coming up.

Coaching: I was absolutely bewildered today at our near complete abandonment of the run... again. When we first brought in Freddy Taylor to run with Maroney, Faulk, and Morris, my original thoughts were that we were going to lean heavily on the running game in the beginning of the year until Tommy gets his bearings again. Well, again today, it turned out I was wrong. Simply put, Brady cannot attempt 47 passes in a game against a Rex Ryan defense with the way he was playing today and still expect to win. During the times when we DID go with the running game, I thought Taylor and LoMo looked great... especially coming out of draw plays. However, there were just too many series where the ball was put into Brady's hands, and he just simply wasn't ready to lead us for the whole game. At the end of the first half, we were beginning to break off good chunks of yardage for every running play we called. Why we didn't go with that formula in the second half is beyond me. Just bad coaching there.

Offensive Line: The OL did a good job of not allowing Brady to get sacked, but you can probably contribute that to Brady getting rid of the ball quickly when it looked like the sack was coming instead of the O-Line. In all, Brady was pressured pretty much all day despite under 20 blitzes being called by the Jets defense. He was hit time and time again and was hit hard. If he continues taking that kind of abuse, he will be injured by season's end. Those of us that called for the team to draft Ryan Clady in the wake of the 2007 season and Oher in the wake of the 2008 season are wondering why not. The pass protection has GOT to improve because this Jets team isn't going to be the only team we see this season that is going to bring the heat on Brady. The one thing the OL did good today was run block. However, like I said, the running game just wasn't used effectively enough to take advantage of that.

WRs: This unit was clearly hurting by the loss of Welker. I know I'm not alone, but I wish him a speedy recovery. Lord knows that we're going to need his services in the next two weeks. Edelman did look great today and, despite the *****ing and moaning of those on the Galloway hate train, Joey caught 5 balls for 53 yards. Not all that bad. However, neither of them can do what Wes does. Because of Wes, the defense is forced to commit to coverage underneath which takes the heat off of Moss. With Welker out, the Jets' defense keyed in on Moss and all but completely took him out of the game. By the way, Galloway shouldn't take flak for that would-be touchdown. He was open but Brady threw the ball too late. Edelman also would have had a touchdown as well had the ball not been thrown away from him. All in all, I wasn't terribly impressed by the play of the WRs today, but they are getting way too much flak thrown their way for the loss. When Welker gets back, I think we'll see the passing game that we're all accustomed to. I would also love to see Edelman become the other slot receiver on the other side of Welker. That would be one very dangerous passing game with those two operating underneath along with Watson and Baker.

Defense: Clearly we are missing the presence that Seymour brought to this team. The push that used to come off of his side of the line has been non-existant in the first two games so far. With that said, I thought that the defense did a good enough job with what they were asked to do today. They contained the Jesters running game and kept Washington and Jones within check. However, the coaching staff needs to realize that more pressure has to come from the linebackers at times. We cannot simply rely on that four man rush coming from the line against a good OL like the one the Jets have. Today, that four man rush simply wasn't getting to Sanchez and he ate us for lunch. When BB finally decided to mess around with some blitzes, we got pressure and hit Sanchez (the one by TBC stands out). I know that if you live by the blitz, you die by the blitz. I understand that. However, if we don't blitz against a good OL, we don't get to the QB. It's as simple as that.

Special Teams: Do I even have to say anything here. Just wow. I know Leon Washington is dangerous but wow...

Penalties: We shot outselves in the foot time and time again with needless penalties. Since BB has been coaching this team, I cannot remember the last time we got two delay of game penalties... IN A ROW. The holding and false start penalties were costly. We just didn't play smart, Bill Belichick football today and we payed for it.

Final thoughts: I know it's against the law around here to go against Tommy and agree with Jets fans, but those of you whining and complaining about the Jet fans chanting "Brady sucks" need to take a step back. They were right. Brady did suck today. However, he will get better. All athletes have a mental hurdle they need to climb after a serious injury and Brady's is going to be bigger because he was considered Iron Man before his injury and the injury didn't occur until later in his career. But, rest assured, he will start stepping into this throws down the line. When he gets back to his old self, Welker gets back, and Mayo gets back, this team will be very VERY dangerous. Hopefully Tommy and Wes can take steps into those directions quickly because we have a tough test coming up in Atlanta.

Kontradiction......good realistic post bud.......and you are dead on in most everything you say. I think we may be dealing with a bit of a rebuilding stage here.....OL has alot of holes like it has for quite awhile now......and Matt "Turnstile" Light is still in there....so expect Brady to be rushed or on his a## often......Defense has suffered horrible losses this year....capped off by Seymour being shipped off....could have really used him today.

The big intangible that I haven't heard mentioned so far this season is LACK OF LEADERSHIP on the defense (and for the team overall) Heard it mentioned in an interview with Troy Brown on ESPN with cowherd last week.......Bruschi, Vrabs, Seymour.....Rodney....all tremendous leaders.....(even Seau provided some).....Right now WHO are their leaders on defense.....who's getting in their faces the way Bruschi and Harrison did??? Wilfork? This is a big point IMHO.....

Now on to Brady......He may realistically never be the same Tom. He almost seems indifferent out there sometimes. Secondly, he suffered one of the most traumatic injuries that a football player (or any athlete) can rehab from. And, like you say......so much of the return from this kind of devestating injury....is MENTAL. He looks gun shy out there.....insecure......waiting for that next big hit that is going to re-injure that knee.....like you said....hanging back on the back foot....not stepping into his throwing motion.....Going to take A LONG time for him to come back to the "old" Tom Brady.....if in fact he ever makes it all the way back...Time will tell

The defense is going to be a work in progress this year I think.....many of the old stalwarts are now gone....with a hodgepodge of young bucks coming in that haven't played all that much together and are still learning the D.......can't expect them to be an elite group this year....

Again, you make some good points.....and today's debacle was very hard to watch......
 
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Re: Okay I'll say it, Brady sucked today

You fooled me. I've seen sillier comments that were serious though, so...

Like my bust Dontae Stallworth out of the clink comment?
 
Re: Thoughts on the game and a good, long look at this team... and it's not good.

They didn't play with any heart. It was a team loss and letdown from top to bottom. And, sorry to burst your bubble, but the coach of the team agrees with me. Or did you not watch his postgame interview?

Heart????:rofl: Please, put me on the ignore list, your mind blowing analysis is killing me..... They did'nt play with any hhheart!!!!!!:rofl:
 
Re: Thoughts on the game and a good, long look at this team... and it's not good.

Kontradiction......good realistic post bud.......and you are dead on in most everything you say. I think we may be dealing with a bit of a rebuilding stage here.....OL has alot of holes like it has for quite awhile now......and Matt "Turnstile" Light is still in there....so expect Brady to be rushed or on his a## often......Defense has suffered horrible losses this year....capped off by Seymour being shipped off....could have really used him today.

The big intangible that I haven't heard mentioned so far this season is LACK OF LEADERSHIP on the defense (and for the team overall) Heard it mentioned in an interview with Troy Brown on ESPN with cowherd last week.......Bruschi, Vrabs, Seymour.....Rodney....all tremendous leaders.....(even Seau provided some).....Right now WHO are their leaders on defense.....who's getting in their faces the way Bruschi and Harrison did??? Wilfork? This is a big point IMHO.....

Now on to Brady......He may realistically never be the same Tom. He almost seems indifferent out there sometimes. Secondly, he suffered one of the most traumatic injuries that a football player (or any athlete) can rehab from. And, like you say......so much of the return from this kind of devestating injury....is MENTAL. He looks gun shy out there.....insecure......waiting for that next big hit that is going to re-injure that knee.....like you said....hanging back on the back foot....not stepping into his throwing motion.....Going to take A LONG time for him to come back to the "old" Tom Brady.....if in fact he ever makes it all the way back...Time will tell

The defense is going to be a work in progress this year I think.....many of the old stalwarts are now gone....with a hodgepodge of young bucks coming in that haven't played all that much together and are still learning the D.......can't expect them to be an elite group this year....

Again, you make some good points.....and today's debacle was very hard to watch......

This guys got us rebuilding.:rofl:I gotta go, "the golden girls are on"!:rofl:
 
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Re: Okay I'll say it, Brady sucked today

Like my bust Dontae Stallworth out of the clink comment?

Missed it. I do go for the subtle sarcasm, but you'll go over a lot of heads with that approach here.

This is seerus bidness.:D
 
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Heart????:rofl: Please, put me on the ignore list, your mind blowing analysis is killing me..... They did'nt play with any hhheart!!!!!!:rofl:

And meanwhile, you've yet to post any analysis whatsoever on the game. So, since you conveniently dodged the question earlier, I will ask you again: DO YOU THINK THIS TEAM PLAYED A GOOD GAME? Or are you just blind? Please post your analysis for all of us to see.
 
Re: Thoughts on the game and a good, long look at this team... and it's not good.

Perspective should tell observant fans that yes we ARE rebuilding the defense. Can't turn over that many players and not do so. Despite my crits of the D for not kicking ROOKIE Sanchez's tail, this was a team loss with the lack of offense, albeit facing an excellently coached and talented D, being the major culprit. I expected it to take this young, rebuilt D at least 4 games, maybe 6 or so, to come together but I'd expected the offense to carry us thru that period. My bad.
 
Re: Thoughts on the game and a good, long look at this team... and it's not good.

And meanwhile, you've yet to post any analysis whatsoever on the game. So, since you conveniently dodged the question earlier, I will ask you again: DO YOU THINK THIS TEAM PLAYED A GOOD GAME? Or are you just blind? Please post your analysis for all of us to see.

Yeah, I think they played a good game. They played hard, and they currently have allot of moving parts. New offensive Co-ord., in between fronts on the defensive side with some new guys. Their QB hasn't played in over a year, and that was his first look at a pressure D with press corners and a ton of blitzing. I think they could coach better also but, I am not willing to pin it solely on that because this roster has had allot of changes... They'll figure it out and when they do, games like today will be invaluable...

As a post script, I am especially excited about Edelman. Teams are F*CKED when he get's on the field with Welker. They should suck up a ton of coverage for 81.
 
1. Clearly BB has no faith in Maroney. Second game in a row he is a bench sitter in the second half.
2. At this point, Sammy Morris is a liability....sloooooow
3. Forcing Brady to throw on the run is a huge win for the D
4. 3rd and long defense.... "Don't rush and leave huge cushions for the WRs"
5. Wilhite should tackle with his arms...I hear players fall to the ground this way
6. I love Faulk, but he is no longer that quick little water bug...he's more on the beefy slow side this year
7. I hear passing to TEs can be effective.
8. Somehow, a penalty flag was just thrown in my living room....where's Watson

But the Good news is....both Jacksonville and Tennessee lost....the Pats will be picking....16, 33,34,48 in next years first two rounds.
 
Re: Thoughts on the game and a good, long look at this team... and it's not good.

And meanwhile, you've yet to post any analysis whatsoever on the game. So, since you conveniently dodged the question earlier, I will ask you again: DO YOU THINK THIS TEAM PLAYED A GOOD GAME? Or are you just blind? Please post your analysis for all of us to see.

Go ahead I answered you? Or are you still just bummin' about today?
 
Re: Thoughts on the game and a good, long look at this team... and it's not good.

I honestly can't remember the last time I saw the team as a whole look as pathetic as they did today. And, when you read this, keep in mind that I have a long history on this forum and those that know me don't generally know me to be a "Chicken Little". There just didn't seem to be any heart from top to bottom. Here are my thoughts:

1. Brady: If he keeps playing scared like he did today and last week, it's going to be a long season for us. I had actually made a thread in the preseason detailing my concerns about how he wasn't stepping into his throws all the way and looked skiddish in the pocket and had it dismissed by others who quickly reminded me that, "it's the preseason". Too true. It's just too bad those concerns translated into the regular season. Tommy came out last week and immediately pulled the same stunt. His mechanics bordered on horrible. Sure, he was pressured at times. But even at times which he wasn't pressured, he seemed to be hurring his throws and not stepping fully into a pass. For some reason, that stopped in the 4th quarter. Jaws was kind enough to point out to us that Brady began stepping into his throws and, when that happened, we were able to drive effortlessly down the field which Brady comfortably making throws within and outside of 15 yards. Today, he just didn't seem to carry that 4th quarter confidence over with him and again looked rusty. From beginning to the end he never seemed comfortable and, even during times when the pressure wasn't there, didn't fully step into throws and/or hurried them. It's very obvious that the mental hurdle for Brady is still a very tall one and our offensive line doesn't seem to be helping him out that much. Hopefully he can get his act together because the season doesn't appear to get any easier with match-ups against Atlanta and Baltimore coming up.

Coaching: I was absolutely bewildered today at our near complete abandonment of the run... again. When we first brought in Freddy Taylor to run with Maroney, Faulk, and Morris, my original thoughts were that we were going to lean heavily on the running game in the beginning of the year until Tommy gets his bearings again. Well, again today, it turned out I was wrong. Simply put, Brady cannot attempt 47 passes in a game against a Rex Ryan defense with the way he was playing today and still expect to win. During the times when we DID go with the running game, I thought Taylor and LoMo looked great... especially coming out of draw plays. However, there were just too many series where the ball was put into Brady's hands, and he just simply wasn't ready to lead us for the whole game. At the end of the first half, we were beginning to break off good chunks of yardage for every running play we called. Why we didn't go with that formula in the second half is beyond me. Just bad coaching there.

Offensive Line: The OL did a good job of not allowing Brady to get sacked, but you can probably contribute that to Brady getting rid of the ball quickly when it looked like the sack was coming instead of the O-Line. In all, Brady was pressured pretty much all day despite under 20 blitzes being called by the Jets defense. He was hit time and time again and was hit hard. If he continues taking that kind of abuse, he will be injured by season's end. Those of us that called for the team to draft Ryan Clady in the wake of the 2007 season and Oher in the wake of the 2008 season are wondering why not. The pass protection has GOT to improve because this Jets team isn't going to be the only team we see this season that is going to bring the heat on Brady. The one thing the OL did good today was run block. However, like I said, the running game just wasn't used effectively enough to take advantage of that.

WRs: This unit was clearly hurting by the loss of Welker. I know I'm not alone, but I wish him a speedy recovery. Lord knows that we're going to need his services in the next two weeks. Edelman did look great today and, despite the *****ing and moaning of those on the Galloway hate train, Joey caught 5 balls for 53 yards. Not all that bad. However, neither of them can do what Wes does. Because of Wes, the defense is forced to commit to coverage underneath which takes the heat off of Moss. With Welker out, the Jets' defense keyed in on Moss and all but completely took him out of the game. By the way, Galloway shouldn't take flak for that would-be touchdown. He was open but Brady threw the ball too late. Edelman also would have had a touchdown as well had the ball not been thrown away from him. All in all, I wasn't terribly impressed by the play of the WRs today, but they are getting way too much flak thrown their way for the loss. When Welker gets back, I think we'll see the passing game that we're all accustomed to. I would also love to see Edelman become the other slot receiver on the other side of Welker. That would be one very dangerous passing game with those two operating underneath along with Watson and Baker.

Defense: Clearly we are missing the presence that Seymour brought to this team. The push that used to come off of his side of the line has been non-existant in the first two games so far. With that said, I thought that the defense did a good enough job with what they were asked to do today. They contained the Jesters running game and kept Washington and Jones within check. However, the coaching staff needs to realize that more pressure has to come from the linebackers at times. We cannot simply rely on that four man rush coming from the line against a good OL like the one the Jets have. Today, that four man rush simply wasn't getting to Sanchez and he ate us for lunch. When BB finally decided to mess around with some blitzes, we got pressure and hit Sanchez (the one by TBC stands out). I know that if you live by the blitz, you die by the blitz. I understand that. However, if we don't blitz against a good OL, we don't get to the QB. It's as simple as that.

Special Teams: Do I even have to say anything here. Just wow. I know Leon Washington is dangerous but wow...

Penalties: We shot outselves in the foot time and time again with needless penalties. Since BB has been coaching this team, I cannot remember the last time we got two delay of game penalties... IN A ROW. The holding and false start penalties were costly. We just didn't play smart, Bill Belichick football today and we payed for it.

Final thoughts: I know it's against the law around here to go against Tommy and agree with Jets fans, but those of you whining and complaining about the Jet fans chanting "Brady sucks" need to take a step back. They were right. Brady did suck today. However, he will get better. All athletes have a mental hurdle they need to climb after a serious injury and Brady's is going to be bigger because he was considered Iron Man before his injury and the injury didn't occur until later in his career. But, rest assured, he will start stepping into this throws down the line. When he gets back to his old self, Welker gets back, and Mayo gets back, this team will be very VERY dangerous. Hopefully Tommy and Wes can take steps into those directions quickly because we have a tough test coming up in Atlanta.

Great post- I agree on all accounts. IMO, we need better play from both lines, and we need Brady to start shaking off the rust. I hope that it's not simply a matter of not having starter-caliber personnel in the trenches, but I'm getting worried.
 
Too all the Jets fans in here congratulations, talk to me in January if your still around. January 12, 1969!
 
Re: Thoughts on the game and a good, long look at this team... and it's not good.

Go ahead I answered you? Or are you still just bummin' about today?

Check out my thread. I just posted my reply to you there. I am happy to see that you're ecstatic about this loss though.
 
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