I'm hearing rumors on Indy message boards- Peyton to IR

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

A Houston fan had posted this over at Coltfreaks. Of course when he initially posted what was offered by a doctor who posts on the Texans board, his posts met with the usual response from the usual suspects. Sounds like one hell of a nail on the head assessment now though...

Wow... sounds like the guy needs to just spend a long time on a beach. This talk of discs pressing down nerves due to NFL linemen smashing your head makes ME want to lay on a memory foam mattress all day.

 

[Bella*chick]

It reads like a nail on the head assessment to me. My husband had trouble (that we discovered only via X-ray as he had no real symptoms) with the disks in his neck....C5 and C6 to be exact. He actually did have the fusion surgery and the way they described it and what could happen if we did nothing is exactly what that doctor says. Not only that but wasn't it reported that Peyton was having trouble with C7? That's the one that controls arm strength, I remember the doctor discussing it with us and how Jay's was too high to affect his arm.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Gotta admit that Deus was spot on about his diagnosis of serious neck bolt rust problems with The Forehead

 

[Kontradiction]

I wish Manning the best, but he's been incredibly lucky with injuries throughout his career. That luck may be catching up to him now. Neck problems are tricky and seldom go away even after multiple surgeries.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

The excellent guys on Movin The Chains on SIRIUS radio were commenting pre deal that the Colts might be better off letting Manning go and starting afresh rebuilding the team rather than being also rans without a complete team surrounding The One. Too bad for Indy fans that they're cap strangled by an aging and now incapacitated Franchise player. Hey, it's not too late to trade him! Not that anyone is gonna take that $ contract with the serious health risk now known. Too late!

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Another astute piece by Judy Battista on the Times 5th Down Blog on the heals of her BB piece... This one entitled Day the Colts Dreaded is Finally Here

Clearly, the Colts’ playbook will be drastically scaled back for however long Collins plays. Collins is a smart player who knows how to prepare himself, but the Colts are ill-equipped to change their fundamental nature quickly. Their running game, with Joseph Addai and Donald Brown (neither of whom reached 500 yards last year), is something of an annual adventure. Last year, the Colts ranked 28th in the N.F.L. in rushing attempts and 29th in rushing yards. This year is even harder to forecast because their offensive line is in flux.

The Colts are dependent on Manning and the points he produces; last year, the Colts ranked fourth in the league in points, averaging 27.2 a game, enabling them to win 10 games and their division even though they ranked 23rd in points allowed, with 24.2. That is especially bad news considering that after a Week 2 game against the Cleveland Browns, they play one of the N.F.L’s perennial superpowers, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

The Colts have been fortunate for nearly 15 years to not have to think about a future without Manning.

But if he is not back by the time the Colts face the Steelers, the glance ahead will be unavoidable. And probably painful.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/s...nytimes.com/pages/sports/football/index.jsonp

 

[Gwedd]

That's too bad for Manning if true, but if I was a big Colts fan I would be PO'd. How did they not know he wasn't recovering well prior to signing him to that big contract extension?The lockout must have allowed him either to hide it, or not to test how it was coming along. Didn't his older brother have to leave football because of neck problems? Maybe it's a hereditary thing aggravated by playing in the NFL. If so, they should have had major red flags available to them. As someone prior said, look what can happen when you put all your eggs in one basket.

A few pages back I commented about the Colts possibly trying to sue Manning for fraud or breach of contract if he was less than forthcoming about his condition(s) when he signed that contract. They probably wouldn't but if they get stuck with his salary AND a high draft pick, their salary cap will take a HUGE hit. I wrote this later on in this thread too:

I don't believe so. I'm just tossing out a "what if" to add to the discussion. My example comes from the look at how scr3wed the Colts would be salary-cap wise if they couldn't play Peyton, tanked the season and ended up with a high draft pick and the accompanying high salary to go with it.

I've posted elsewhere and often how foolish the Colts are to have not provided for the development of a journeyman back-up QB while also dumping truckloads of cash on Manning. Karma loves it when folks set themselves up in a precarious position. Irsay & Polian refused to look to the future, trying to win it all now and the future is suddenly here.

If they lose Manning and end up with a top-10 pick, what will they do? Their only hope of some sort of salary-cap relief is to either try and get the contract voided, or to trade out of the high draft pick and start what will perhaps be a long and painful rebuilding program.

 

[Gwedd]

The excellent guys on Movin The Chains on SIRIUS radio were commenting pre deal that the Colts might be better off letting Manning go and starting afresh rebuilding the team rather than being also rans without a complete team surrounding The One. Too bad for Indy fans that they're cap strangled by an aging and now incapacitated Franchise player. Hey, it's not too late to trade him! Not that anyone is gonna take that $ contract with the serious health risk now known. Too late!

They were playing Football's version of "Texas Hold 'Em". Irsay & Polian went all in with a bluff and got called.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

A few pages back I commented about the Colts possibly trying to sue Manning for fraud or breach of contract if he was less than forthcoming about his condition(s) when he signed that contract. They probably wouldn't but if they get stuck with his salary AND a high draft pick, their salary cap will take a HUGE hit. I wrote this later on in this thread too:

That comment was foolish then and it remains so...

 

[BradyManny]

This sounds akin to Bird and his back problems in his twilight years with the Celtics. To be honest.

But then again, it is Peyton, and as much as I dislike him as a person and a player, and I respect him more than any other QB in the league not named Brady. No one would be surprised if he comes back in a couple weeks and has a good season.

 

[Gwedd]

That comment was foolish then and it remains so...

I would say not, but we can still have our differences.

But in the end, it's Indy' problem to deal with, and they'll be tap dancing their way out of this mess for quite awhile.

The one silver lining in all of this is that it has at least dampened down most of the Favre news reports, speculation, etc.

 

[Dufflebagz]

The Jags are reportedly going to cut Garrard.....hmmmmm

 

[D-Money]

I wont believe it till its official.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I would say not, but we can still have our differences.

But in the end, it's Indy' problem to deal with, and they'll be tap dancing their way out of this mess for quite awhile.

The one silver lining in all of this is that it has at least dampened down most of the Favre news reports, speculation, etc.

And that only b/c they signed Collins. If they had actually been thinking of starting Painter. . . . :scared:

 

[Deus Irae]

The Jags are reportedly going to cut Garrard.....hmmmmm

Excellent.

That helps simplify the AFC

Patriots
Jets

Steelers
Ravens

Texans
Colts (?)

Chargers
Chiefs
Raiders (?)


If the Raiders can't cut it at cornerback, and Manning's neckbolts aren't dealt with quickly, it could be 7 teams competing for 6 spots as early as somewhere week 8-10.*




*Sorry to those who're high on the Browns, but they're the Browns. They need to earn the right to be considered, IMO.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Per multiple twitter tweets Polian has officially ruled Peyton out for week 1 ending his active iron man streak...

There are also lots of reports out of Indy that the posterior procedure (back of the neck) approach Manning's surgeon used and favors is not as widely favored as the anterior approach - unless of course part of your problem was a bone spur that can only be approached from the posterior. Most Neurologists commenting seem to think he will need another procedure from the anterior to fuse the disc. Recovery from that would be measured in months for a football player. Manning and the Colts seem to be treading water at the moment holding out hope that the nerves will begin to show some additional signs of improvement, but that may be as much a case of not wanting to give up even a remote shot at his return this season...damned if you do (go back in) and damned if they don't (regenerate)...

 

[Haley]

There are also lots of reports out of Indy that the posterior procedure (back of the neck)

I am really glad you clarified that. For just a brief second there, I thought Manning was having butt surgery as well.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Per multiple twitter tweets Polian has officially ruled Peyton out for week 1 ending his active iron man streak...

There are also lots of reports out of Indy that the posterior procedure (back of the neck) approach Manning's surgeon used and favors is not as widely favored as the anterior approach - unless of course part of your problem was a bone spur that can only be approached from the posterior. Most Neurologists commenting seem to think he will need another procedure from the anterior to fuse the disc. Recovery from that would be measured in months for a football player. Manning and the Colts seem to be treading water at the moment holding out hope that the nerves will begin to show some additional signs of improvement, but that may be as much a case of not wanting to give up even a remote shot at his return this season...damned if you do (go back in) and damned if they don't (regenerate)...

I'm quite suprised they didn't come in from the front. I didn't think it was possible to go through the back of the neck.

 

[Bella*chick]

I'm quite suprised they didn't come in from the front. I didn't think it was possible to go through the back of the neck.

My husband's fusion procedure was definitely through the front.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I'm quite suprised they didn't come in from the front. I didn't think it was possible to go through the back of the neck.

I guess it is somewhat controversial and not favored by the mainstream. So naturally Indy fans are looking to do a lower posterior approach to the Chicago based surgeon...

But again, even his critics say if there was a bone spur involved that is the only way to get at it. Just now if it hasn't worked the only option is to go in from the front and fuse the disc and possibly do a tiny bone graft to insure that space is maintianed for the nerves to travel. Waiting seems to be the medical equivalent of punting on 3rd down at the moment, just hoping his nerves are the exception to the rule and will still improve in a little more time after already waiting twice the normal timeline - as opposed to the conventional wisdom that the longer you wait the worse it could actually get. That too has Indy fans freaked with some wanting him to have the additional procedure done yesterday...

Lots of anger and angst over on Coltfreaks... Mostly directed at Polian for building a team that can't remotely function absent Peyton... Eventually your chicken all come home to roost. This is worse than the cap hell Polian always managed to evade...