Explosive New Hernandez Details

[Brady_to_Moss]

What's the point of smashing a phone if police have access to the records anyway?

becasue people are stupid and think it can ruin the evidence

 

[Froob]

1. I have dropped my phone plenty of times and never smashed it. The only time I smashed my phone was by throwing it against the wall(which Hernandez could of done)

2. Why would Hernandez delete it after the police questioned him?

I suppose the 2nd one would be hard to come up with an excuse for. Kinda sucks for him that his own cameras screwed him over. Really hope that there is some kind of missing link that proves him innocent but not looking like it but I guess stranger things have happened. If he did kill the guy he deserves whatever punishment he has coming. Seemed like a nice enough kid sad seeing this unfold.

 

[Deus Irae]

What's the point of smashing a phone if police have access to the records anyway?

Assuming the phone was actually smashed, and that it was actually done post-police encounter, he could have done it hoping to destroy evidence, but he could also have just thrown the phone because he was pissed.

 

[Deus Irae]

... Why would Hernandez delete it after the police questioned him?

I don't know what setup he has, so I can't really speak to all the possible reasons. The Michael Jackson case poses a good example though. The tapes there were set to be recorded over after 24 hours.

The bottom line is that most, if not all, of the reports that have come out (obviously other than the murder itself) have been of things that can have very ordinary and above-board reasons for them. I'm not saying that is the case, but I'm saying that people are reading into a lot of things.

 

[LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady]

God, some of you are bending over backwards to excuse him.

I don't know the story and he might be an innocent bystander but look at a few things.

1) He's reportedly destroyed evidence
2) He's an associate of the guy
3) He rented the car
4) He was one of the last people seen with him
5) He's been (by reports) uncooperative with the police
6) Body found near his house


I'm not even going to mention Florida.

Yes, he might be innocent but there's enough there to stop defending him and let him explain himself to the authorities.

If half of this is true, he's in deep **** and there are no reasons to defend him. The ball is in his court and it's pretty obvious the police and FBI are involved and are digging into this more and more and he's at the center of it.

Time to convict....NO... we're long past the point of making excuses for the guy though. If he's guilty, he deserves his fate.

I agree fully. I can't excuse ignorance and rich former-project kids who thinks it's ok to continue their illegal (gang) activity, and assume they'll get away with it because they can pay off the judge or one of their broke project friends who will take the fall when offered a little bit of cash flow. So what, the guy is an associate, do you expect me to believe Hernandez was completely oblivious to what was going on?

I can only hope his old buddies is framing him for murder and he will come out innocent. It is a bit dumb to leave a dead body that close to your residence and even stupider to destroy evidence and even more most stupider to shoot some idiot in the face in Florida.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

I don't know what setup he has, so I can't really speak to all the possible reasons. The Michael Jackson case poses a good example though. The tapes there were set to be recorded over after 24 hours.

The bottom line is that most, if not all, of the reports that have come out (obviously other than the murder itself) have been of things that can have very ordinary and above-board reasons for them. I'm not saying that is the case, but I'm saying that people are reading into a lot of things.

I think a lot of people are trying to play detective and come to a conclusion(I am one of them). Anything is possible, but from what I am seeing from what the news is saying, he sounds guilty, but it hasnt been proven.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

I agree fully. I can't excuse ignorance and rich former-project kids who thinks it's ok to continue their illegal (gang) activity, and assume they'll get away with it because they can pay off the judge or one of their broke project friends who will take the fall when offered a little bit of cash flow. So what, the guy is an associate, do you expect me to believe Hernandez was completely oblivious to what was going on?

I can only hope his old buddies is framing him for murder and he will come out innocent. It is a bit dumb to leave a dead body that close to your residence and even stupider to destroy evidence and even more most stupider to shoot some idiot in the face in Florida.

Hernandez is from Bristol, CT. Bristol has low crime. Crime rate in Bristol, Connecticut (CT): murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, burglaries, thefts, auto thefts, arson, law enforcement employees, police officers statistics

 

[Deus Irae]

I think a lot of people are trying to play detective and come to a conclusion(I am one of them). Anything is possible, but from what I am seeing from what the news is saying, he sounds guilty, but it hasnt been proven.

He sounds guilty if you don't think through what's been reported.

Car rented. So what?
Guys went out the day before the murder. So what?
Guy was seen around time of gunshots. So what?
Phone's broken. Ok, but how/why/extent?
Home system 'broken'. Ok, but what does broken mean in this instance.
Stuff taken from home. Ok, but what stuff, who did it belong to, and was it anything other than testables?


Etc...


Yes, it's true that this stuff might eventually form a cohesive portrait of a murderer, or of someone involved in (or covering up) a murder. It's also true that it could form a cohesive portrait of a guy who'd done nothing wrong.

 

[spacecrime]

I think a lot of people are trying to play detective and come to a conclusion(I am one of them). Anything is possible, but from what I am seeing from what the news is saying, he sounds guilty, but it hasnt been proven.

But sounds guilty of what? Ruining security cameras that would have showed comings and goings is not a good sign, not is hiring a cleaning crew on Monday.

But that doesn't mean he killed anyone. If (for instance) he were covering up for someone or merely trying to hide his circumstancial involvement, he might do those things.

Or he might be guilty of homicide.

I doubt the police have released all they know. Eventually they will arrest someone, and then we will know more than we do now.

A lot of the clamor is meaningless. What happened in Florida with the friend who was shot and in 2007 at Florida are irrelevant to this case.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

He sounds guilty if you don't think through what's been reported.

Car rented. So what?
Guys went out the day before the murder. So what?
Guy was seen around time of gunshots. So what?
Phone's broken. Ok, but how/why/extent?
Home system 'broken'. Ok, but what does broken mean in this instance.
Stuff taken from home. Ok, but what stuff, who did it belong to, and was it anything other than testables?


Etc...


Yes, it's true that this stuff might eventually form a cohesive portrait of a murderer, or of someone involved in (or covering up) a murder. It's also true that it could form a cohesive portrait of a guy who'd done nothing wrong.

I agree 100%. It looks bad now, but who knows what half of it is true. Maybe one little piece was broken from the home system and the media are making a big deal? To me, I don't see how Hernandez killed a guy. I just can't see it.

 

[belichick010405]

He sounds guilty if you don't think through what's been reported.

Car rented. So what?
Guys went out the day before the murder. So what?
Guy was seen around time of gunshots. So what?
Phone's broken. Ok, but how/why/extent?
Home system 'broken'. Ok, but what does broken mean in this instance.
Stuff taken from home. Ok, but what stuff, who did it belong to, and was it anything other than testables?


Etc...


Yes, it's true that this stuff might eventually form a cohesive portrait of a murderer, or of someone involved in (or covering up) a murder. It's also true that it could form a cohesive portrait of a guy who'd done nothing wrong.

As of right now, the police are trying to establish probable cause on who murdered Mr. Odin Lloyd and if this Fox story is true that "Neighbors say they heard the gunshots between 3 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. Monday morning, but did not report it to police right away", and if "Just about an hour before Hernandez was caught on video walking into his home (on Monday morning), Hernandez was seen at Lloyd's home in Dorchester" after "Hernandez, Lloyd, and two other men were reportedly at a bar in Boston the night of the homicide, and at some point, the four men left together in a car driven by Hernandez which was confirmed by a text Lloyd sent another friend, a source said" then that connects the two (Hernandez and Lloyd) together prior to Mr. Lloyd's murder.

With that said - this Fox report leaves supposition in the timeline and of course some form of evidence that Hernandez committed murder or was an accomplice to murder.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22...-within-minutes-of-neighbors-hearing-gunshots

 

[LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady]

Hernandez is from Bristol, CT. Bristol has low crime. Crime rate in Bristol, Connecticut (CT): murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, burglaries, thefts, auto thefts, arson, law enforcement employees, police officers statistics

Crime rate may be low, it's a smaller city of course, but they have enough thefts, rapes and robberies to assume there's some gang activity going on in some areas.

Now they are bringing up a 2007 shooting of 2 kids in Florida that Hernandez and some other teammates was being questioned about, but wasn't charged for. I'm guessing the school covered that one up.

-NFL.com is also reporting Hernandez being harassed by a Jets fan and what is believed to be likely an associate dropped off a gun under Hernandez's car. I'm guessing so he could shoot the guy?

There are tons of questions about Hernandez's true character. When he's on TV he's all quiet with his dimpled smile, making him all adorable and innocent of anything. But when he gets with his gang banging 'associates' at the bars and strip clubs, he's probably a different character.

I wonder if Belichick will cut him from the team when this is over. I'm sure Belichick and Kraft were aware of his affiliations and troubles and he promised to get away from it... and now this comes up.

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree 100%. It looks bad now, but who knows what half of it is true. Maybe one little piece was broken from the home system and the media are making a big deal? To me, I don't see how Hernandez killed a guy. I just can't see it.

I'm not in the "can't see it" camp. I'm just in the "what's the real evidence situation?" camp.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

I'm not in the "can't see it" camp. I'm just in the "what's the real evidence situation?" camp.

No I know that. That's my addition to my statement.

 

[belichick010405]

But sounds guilty of what? Ruining security cameras that would have showed comings and goings is not a good sign, not is hiring a cleaning crew on Monday.

But that doesn't mean he killed anyone. If (for instance) he were covering up for someone or merely trying to hide his circumstancial involvement, he might do those things.

Or he might be guilty of homicide.

I doubt the police have released all they know. Eventually they will arrest someone, and then we will know more than we do now.

A lot of the clamor is meaningless. What happened in Florida with the friend who was shot and in 2007 at Florida are irrelevant to this case.

And that is where spoliation of evidence comes into play because if he destroyed evidence through the video surveillance information from his house, he could also be charged with the same top line count as the person whom the MSP have found probable cause to charge 1st Degree Murder with.

That is a real possibility and the other real possibility is that if Aaron did destroy evidence but knows the facts of who killed Mr. Lloyd, this is certainly one way for MSP to get Aaron to cooperate through his attorney regarding what happened because in the end, the one salient fact that has not been detailed in any way, shape or form, is the murder weapon and who used it.

 

[DaBruinz]

Jumping to conclusions? If Hernandez destroyed his video surveillance system for any reason that would impede a current or future law enforcement investigation then that is obstruction of justice.

Do you get it yet? You may not.

And BTW - if you cannot find the US Code regarding titles covering Obstruction of Justice statutes then that is on you. I don't have to give it you like you are a 9-year old. In fact, do me a favor - don't tell or ask me to do anything. It is not my fault that you have to ask others to do something for you because you appear unwilling to do so yourself.

You are the one who brought up some BS idea that if Hernandez broke the surveillance unit PRIOR to the incident that he could still be held accountable for obstruction. You then refused to provide proof of that. That is on YOU. Not me. You are the one acting like the 9 year old because you can't support you claim with actual fact. If you aren't willing to support your claim, then clearly it's not a claim we should take with any validity.

 

[DaBruinz]

The murder happened on late Sunday/early monday morning.

Yep. And the latest report is that Hernandez was last seen with Lloyd on Friday Night/ Saturday morning. Not Sunday night/Monday morning.

 

[DaBruinz]

smashing phones and surveillance? Yeah that's not suspicious...

Again. it's an initial media report. Nothing to support the claim yet.

And the actual report was that the phone was in pieces. I can take my battery, memory card, sim card, covers, and such all apart, and hand them to you. Guess what. My phone is in pieces...

 

[Mack Herron]

Yep. And the latest report is that Hernandez was last seen with Lloyd on Friday Night/ Saturday morning. Not Sunday night/Monday morning.

Not according to this report:

Neighbors say they heard the gunshots between 3 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. Monday morning, but did not report it to police right away.

Just about an hour before Hernandez was caught on video walking into his home, Hernandez was seen at Lloyd's home in Dorchester.

New info. paints clearer picture of N. Attleboro homicide probe - Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston

 

[belichick010405]

You are the one who brought up some BS idea that if Hernandez broke the surveillance unit PRIOR to the incident that he could still be held accountable for obstruction. You then refused to provide proof of that. That is on YOU. Not me. You are the one acting like the 9 year old because you can't support you claim with actual fact. If you aren't willing to support your claim, then clearly it's not a claim we should take with any validity.

Do yourself a favor and shut up.