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Asking for your support
 

would you accept Peterson on the team?

  • no way what he did was out of line!

    Votes: 21 45.7%
  • Everyone deserves a chance at redemption.

    Votes: 25 54.3%

  • Total voters
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What about ISIS? Do I have a right to be critical of them beheading people, burning people alive, enslaving and raping women and children, and so on? I mean, it seems pretty bad. But then again, they are from another culture. So maybe it's all ok after all. Right?

Comparing Adrian Peterson to ISIS?

Okay, let's go to extremes to make our point. ISIS aside, do moderate Muslims in the Arab world have a right to be critical of Americans, who raise their sons to be complete ingrates, and their daughters to be night clubbing groupies who sleep with 30 different people before marriage, in a society of youth culture that promotes drug abuse and gives them easily accessible hardcore pornography at whatever age they learn how to use a computer?

Do they have any right to be critical of a society that holds up mindless, sex-tape releasing celebrities as role models? Do they have the right to be critical of a people who have daughters looking up to people like Miley Cyrus and Kim Kardashian at the age of seven?

`I mean, it seems pretty bad. But then again, we are from another culture. So maybe it's all ok after all. Right?`

Cultural criticisms cut both ways.

Everybody wants to be as judgmental of others as possible, and nobody wants to look in the mirror.

Adrian Peterson was found guilty of a misdemeanor. He made a parental mistake in his own home, but he isn't freaking ISIS, and he isn't freaking Satan.
 
Those pictures of that 4 year olds legs ain't discipline. That's called sadism.

If the kid was 13 and being an out of control a-hole that's a whole different ballgame.
 
Comparing Adrian Peterson to ISIS?

Okay, let's go to extremes to make our point. ISIS aside, do moderate Muslims in the Arab world have a right to be critical of Americans, who raise their sons to be complete ingrates, and their daughters to be night clubbing groupies who sleep with 30 different people before marriage, in a society of youth culture that promotes drug abuse and gives them easily accessible hardcore pornography at whatever age they learn how to use a computer?

Do they have any right to be critical of a society that holds up mindless, sex-tape releasing celebrities as role models? Do they have the right to be critical of a people who have daughters looking up to people like Miley Cyrus and Kim Kardashian at the age of seven?

`I mean, it seems pretty bad. But then again, we are from another culture. So maybe it's all ok after all. Right?`

Cultural criticisms cut both ways.

Everybody wants to be as judgmental of others as possible, and nobody wants to look in the mirror.

Adrian Peterson was found guilty of a misdemeanor. He made a parental mistake in his own home, but he isn't freaking ISIS, and he isn't freaking Satan.
Bottom line is he isn't going to be Patriot anyway. He's just slighly different from the big name 6-3 WR's everyone here slobbered over that went elsewhere.

We've already got a solid RB core and could use the $ elsewhere. Just another pipedream for the Madden/Fantasy crowd.
 
I usually drew the line when it came to drawing blood, scarring and shoving $h!t down his throat when I punished my 4 year old son and I didn't consider it a "thin line", but that's just me.:rolleyes:
I missed the "shoving sh*t down his throat" part. I thought he just spanked him with a switch (which, as I understand it, is a bit old school but a far cry from a Singapore caning).
 
Those pictures of that 4 year olds legs ain't discipline. That's called sadism.

If the kid was 13 and being an out of control a-hole that's a whole different ballgame.



So being " sadistic" to a 13 year old is acceptable?
 
So being " sadistic" to a 13 year old is acceptable?
No, but a cuff upside the head for getting arrested or knocking up the neighbors daughter might be warrented.
 
Parental culture is a very subjective thing.

For instance, being a ****ing moron and raising children that turn out looking like this…
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…isn't a "culture" I can condone, and if I had to choose between being raised by Barry Sanders hard-ass father, or the moronic, degenerate ingrates responsible for these kids, I'd take the chores and the belt.

I honestly laugh at how judgmental people are in our society. A friend of mine has a cousin who is a prescription pill popping, dead beat dad who is 27 years old and still doesn't even have a driver's license.

He thinks Adrian Peterson is a real scum bag.

lmao.

I just don't think Adrian Peterson owes him an apology. I don't think he owes anyone a public apology.

His family is his family, and after the court had its day, that, within his family, is where it can be settled.
I haven't heard that it's anything more than a spanking with a stick. The physical damage is gone in 1-2 days.
I'll take that any day over the emotional trauma and maladjustment that comes with not having a dad around
 
I haven't heard that it's anything more than a spanking with a stick. The physical damage is gone in 1-2 days.
I'll take that any day over the emotional trauma and maladjustment that comes with not having a dad around
Go back to post #9 and check out the pics. Those were 6 days later. You can't see the whip marks on his scrotum because that's illegal. He also shoved leaves in his mouth to shut him up.

I'll give you the benefit of not knowing the story so google it. I do agree with with your point of not having a dad around being detrimental. I hope he has learned from this and I'm sure protective services is still involved with monitered visits and that type of stuff. Not alot of time has passed on this and I haven't seen much contrition out him, although I haven't followed it in awhile.

Too soon for him to become a Patriot IMO and we really don't need him. Wrong place for him to land right now. We've got enough hatred already hovering overhead.
 
Comparing Adrian Peterson to ISIS?

Okay, let's go to extremes to make our point. ISIS aside, do moderate Muslims in the Arab world have a right to be critical of Americans, who raise their sons to be complete ingrates, and their daughters to be night clubbing groupies who sleep with 30 different people before marriage, in a society of youth culture that promotes drug abuse and gives them easily accessible hardcore pornography at whatever age they learn how to use a computer?

Do they have any right to be critical of a society that holds up mindless, sex-tape releasing celebrities as role models? Do they have the right to be critical of a people who have daughters looking up to people like Miley Cyrus and Kim Kardashian at the age of seven?

`I mean, it seems pretty bad. But then again, we are from another culture. So maybe it's all ok after all. Right?`

Cultural criticisms cut both ways.

Everybody wants to be as judgmental of others as possible, and nobody wants to look in the mirror.

Adrian Peterson was found guilty of a misdemeanor. He made a parental mistake in his own home, but he isn't freaking ISIS, and he isn't freaking Satan.
I know it comforts you to go on and on referring to his being convicted of a misdemeanor. Another way of putting it: a 225 pound (give or take) NFL running back beat a 40 pound child until he was bloody. But that doesn't fit your narrative.
 
I call BS on AP.

My grandfather grew up in an orphanage and in several foster homes and was beaten more than he can remember. So was my dad.

As a kid, my dad never laid a finger on me. Why? Because he didn't want me to feel the same way about how he felt about his dad. I think maybe education has something to do with it. My dad has an MBA and my gdad had a 9th grade education.

AP or his dad may not know a better way to dicipline children but hitting a child that severely is incomprehensible. He has an issue. Maybe because he has so many children he doesn't have the time or patience to parent properly. Don't know.

What I do know is that I don't want him on this team- at any price. He disgusts me.
 
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Sorry, no. Again, there is a difference between disciplining a child and what he did.

Look at the pictures if you have forgotten how much over the top it was..
Plus, I don't think he is interested in "redemption." He's pretty much maintained all along that he did nothing wrong.
 
I know it comforts you to go on and on referring to his being convicted of a misdemeanor. Another way of putting it: a 225 pound (give or take) NFL running back beat a 40 pound child until he was bloody. But that doesn't fit your narrative.

I don't have a narrative, rochrist. It isn't like I'm a card carrying member of the Child Beaters Association of America, and I'm here to do damage control for Adrian Peterson.

The law disagrees. He wasn't charged with child abuse.

Pictures can be misleading when given with a caption. I never saw video footage of Adrian Peterson whipping his kid, so I don't know how bad it was. A photograph of scratches certainly doesn't necessarily tell me that it was horrendous, even if a blog title that goes along with it does. Again, if those were pictures from him falling off his bicycle, nobody would think the injuries were that severe, but because they came with the story of a switch, we leap to the judgement that it was a sadistic beating.

Would you at least admit that children get worse bumps and bruises while playing sometimes than what is shown in that picture, story-caption aside? I came off my bike once when I was 9 and shredded the whole side of my thigh. To be honest, it didn't even hurt that much, but it looked 20 times as bad as those pictures.

Maybe AP's actions that night were that horrendous. Maybe they weren't. A photograph in a certain light certainly doesn't tell us for sure either way, no more than footballs at 12.3 PSI tell us if Tom Brady snuck into a room in secret to deflate footballs.

All it truly does is let us make assumptions, guided by media narratives. It's entirely possible that, had someone actually videotaped this domestic episode with a cellphone, it might not have been nearly as vicious as people are imagining it, which seems to be sadistically unique to the world of physical discipline.

A court of law didn't see the evidence to charge him with child abuse, and unlike the Ray Rice case, there is no evidence that a massive conspiracy was taking place to get him off lightly for what he did based on his celebrity status. Coincidently, the court of law wasn't looking for ratings or headlines, either. They were simply looking for the truth. While TMZ and ESPN were looking for website hits, the court and DA were no doubt interviewing family members, and getting to the bottom of what kind of parent Adrian is.

I got a few ass whippings with a wooden spoon when I was a kid. Nothing too severe. Just a flurry of righteous Mom anger on the backside.

I don't ever remember having scratch marks, because a wooden spoon isn't a switch, but it's entirely possible I had a bruise on my ass or thigh at one point from it as a child.

I suppose if TMZ took a picture of it at the right time, in the right lighting, they could of made my Mother out to be ISIS, and she certainly wasn't.

I completely understand and sympathize with wanting to protect children from child abusers.
However, the court didn't find child abuse, and instead found reckless assault, which seems to me to be a forgivable offense, especially on the first offense.

My position is basically the same that it originally was, and I understood we disagreed then, too.

I just don't think a leaked photograph with a caption is enough for me to pass supreme judgement. I knew plenty of people growing up that got `whippings` occasionally from their parents, and I know their parents weren't bad or sadistic people. 4 is young, I get it.
 
You keep using the misdemeanor thing as though it proved he didn't do anything so bad, when in fact, what he did was enter a plea agreement. If he hadn't pled to the misdemeanor he would have been tried for reckless or negligent injury to a child, a felony, which could have meant jail time. Plea deals happen all the time, literally ALL OF THE TIME. Especially when it's a first offense. That doesn't mean that he didn't commit the felony he was initially charged with, it means the state didn't want to spend the money on a trial against a football star in Texas being defended by Rusty Hardin.

And yes, children have been injured playing before. Children have been killed playing before. Would you be excusing him if he'd killed his kid?
 
Are we saving the cap room for AP?


Just a thought he has said he wants out of Minnesota they are trying to force their hand in a release but what about a trade a low mid like a 4th or 5th could get it done.

He would have a chance at a Superbowl and we would have a bellcow back that could Extend Bradys career.

Now I know the way he punished his kids is excessive but honestly my grandparents were the same way belts paddles with holes hanger things like that its a southern way of doing things.

I would never treat my own children that way.

If that's the only thing you know however it becomes and feels acceptable and normal.

I'm sure the way AP disciplined his children is the same way he was himself disciplined and saw no error in it.

Again we have the cap we have a winning situation maybe he would play on a 2 year 10 Million dollar contract somewhere around there.


Would you forgive and applaud the move?
You said you would not treat your own kids that way which means that you see how your GPs treated their kids was wrong. Why is it AP couldn't see that? Stupid? Sadist?
 
He is 30 years old and has a ton of mileage on him. He might have been the best in the game but since 2012 he has been on a decline. He also has a injury history dating back to college.
 
Not to mention Boston area is over populated as it is we don't Peterson rolling into town spreading his seed.
 
And yes, children have been injured playing before. Children have been killed playing before. Would you be excusing him if he'd killed his kid?

Obviously not.

My point is pictures can be misleading.

We hear a story about a switch and a whuppin' room and child abuse chargers.
Then we see the picture, and our brain puts it all together and comes up with Hannibal Lecter parenting.

Yet those injuries only seem unforgivable in the context of a switch and child abuse charges.

If the same photograph is showing the results of a kid playing baseball and sliding into home base wearing shorts, nobody thinks the injuries are that bad.

Same exact injuries, same exact photograph, but one is inhumane brutality, and one is nothing. What's the difference? The caption is the difference.

So what's my point?

That Adrian is a great Father? That he didn't actually whip his kid with a switch (which in Texas is legal)?

No, and no.

My point is I don't know how horrendous the beating was. Everyone says the photograph is concrete proof of sadism, that it was unbelievably horrendous, that it was sick and psychotic, but it honestly isn't proof of that at all.

I don't know the extent of what happened. I know he went overboard. I know the law says he went overboard. I know even Adrian Peterson's text messages show he felt remorse about going overboard.

But I don't know from a picture that Adrian Peterson is an unforgivable child abuser.

That doesn't mean I love his parenting style, but I'm fine with leaving it to a Texas court to deal with, which they have.
 
Please tell me this is a joke.
 
I can forgive Peterson - IF he learns the errors of his ways - a lot easier than i can forgive Hardy. there are actually a lot of people who think it's proper to beat a child, for the child's sake.

They're wrong...stupendously, magnificently, idiotically wrong, but this can be a teaching moment.

Hardy is Hernandez waiting to happen.

All beside the point. Peterson is worth his contract to a team like, say, Buffalo or the Jets. he's not worth that kind of money to a team that has TFB, the GOAT. With Brady, short passing game > running game, and running game becomes a luxury.
 
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