Mayo will be the new HC

[Ring 6]

If 10% of NFL/college players are Black, then yes that would make sense because almost all coaches (80-90) are former players.

If 90% of coaches were never players and were just civilians then yes you could look at racial make up of the entire population. But coaches 80-90% from former players. If things were normal, you would expect coaches to be ~50-60% minorities.



Not the same people but the averages would hold out. You are saying Black former players are several times less likely to want to be coaches? Why? It makes no sense. The fact that their coaching ranks have increased massively since Rooney rule bears that out clearly. Or did they magically decide to want to be coaches once the Rooney rule started?



No, many examples of former players failing. But again it's about the %s.

Im saying the data indicates black PEOPLE are no more likely to become football coaches than white PEOPLE.
I also think you are misusing the all coaches are former players data. That is ONLY Head Coaches(. It includes bill belichick who started 1 year in division 3 then became an nfl asst coach at 22.)

It would appear that black ncaa or nfl football players are less likely to want to be football coaches than white ones, since roughly the same % of people of each race become football coaches and the % of black players is higher. I wouldn’t be able to answer why that is, but the data says so. I’d imagine if I had to guess playing football pays well so players are more financially secure than the general public, therefore less interested in the rigors of coaching. NFL players also are at some level celebrities which may help them get jobs that pay better than coaching.

 

[Ring 6]

But he isn’t obligated to hire Mayo. Thus the IF in Rap’s post.

No one said he was legally obligated. He seems to be morally obligated though.

 

[Ring 6]

Mayo is fine if you have a great OC and a legit GM in place

First rule of coaches. If they are only good if other people around them are better than them, it’s probably a bad choice.

 

[The Gr8est]

He isnt going to magically create a talented staff out of no where.
It’s easy to say it’s ok if the coach has weaknesses, we can surround him with other people. But there’s no certainty those other people are any good.

I think the next phase of this franchise is ownership is going to learn how little they understood about what made the dynasty what it was and how ill equipped they are to fill the void.
I hope I’m wrong but i predict about a 5 year period where we resemble the dysfunctional organizations we’ve seen with the jete, and other such as Cleveland, Cincinnati or Detroit at times

I would not be shocked to see us go from the most wins in the 2000s and 2010s to the fewest in the 2020s.

At least we can watch BB get the most wins record, possibly another SB ring.

 

[ahmed]

Im saying the data indicates black PEOPLE are no more likely to become football coaches than white PEOPLE.
I also think you are misusing the all coaches are former players data. That is ONLY Head Coaches(. It includes bill belichick who started 1 year in division 3 then became an nfl asst coach at 22.)

It would appear that black ncaa or nfl football players are less likely to want to be football coaches than white ones, since roughly the same % of people of each race become football coaches and the % of black players is higher. I wouldn’t be able to answer why that is, but the data says so. I’d imagine if I had to guess playing football pays well so players are more financially secure than the general public, therefore less interested in the rigors of coaching. NFL players also are at some level celebrities which may help them get jobs that pay better than coaching.

The reason is pretty simple actually. They don't look and sound like the decision makers. They literally forced said decision makers to interview them to even make a dent in the numbers.

 

[Ring 6]

The reason is pretty simple actually. They don't look and sound like the decision makers. They literally forced to make said decision makers to interview them to even make a dent in the numbers.

How does that explain the data for all other coaches from high school up to anything short of nfl hc?

 

[ahmed]

How does that explain the data for all other coaches from high school up to anything short of nfl hc?

Minorities are a still a minority in other coaching positions when said positions again mostly hire from former football players.

Also watch this; very entertaining but also very insightful about the subject. Something you should be familiar with given that we have (had) 3 coaches with same last name.

 

[Ring 6]

The reason is pretty simple actually. They don't look and sound like the decision makers. They literally forced said decision makers to interview them to even make a dent in the numbers.

Also 44.3% of all NFL coaches are black.
That is more than triple the population percentage.
That is also 5 times the % of all football coaches at any level.
A black person who coaches football is 5 times more likely to be in the nfl than college or high school.

 

[Ring 6]

Minorities are a still a minority in other coaching positions when said positions again mostly hire from former football players.

Also watch this; very entertaining but also very insightful about the subject. Something you should be familiar with given that we have (had) 3 coaches with same last name.

44.3% of nfl coaches are black

Nepotism implies a lack of qualifications. Most second generation coaches have been pretty successful.

 

[ahmed]

Also 44.3% of all NFL coaches are black.
That is more than triple the population percentage.
That is also 5 times the % of all football coaches at any level.
A black person who coaches football is 5 times more likely to be in the nfl than college or high school.

44% minorities. That's is much better than it used to be but the % are lower for head coach and coordinators and lower than % of the player pool.

NFL 5 times more likely than other levels (never seen this but I believe you) probably because the NFL forced the issue and tried to improve the numbers through the Rooney rule and no such thing in college?

 

[ahmed]

44.3% of nfl coaches are black

Nepotism implies a lack of qualifications. Most second generation coaches have been pretty successful.

Nepotism is hiring family and friends for positions solely because they are family and friends. Qualifications have nothing to do with it. Bill hired his 2 sons because they are his sons not because they were qualified. There is a video interview of Steve saying something like I did not know anything when I first became DB coach.

The issue with nepotism is it takes opportunities from people who are actually qualified. Of course once you have a number of people, you will have a % of success.

Lastly maybe we have 6-8 new HC a year because they make it that far through something other than merit.

 

[Ring 6]

44% minorities. That's is much better than it used to be but the % are lower for head coach and coordinators and lower than % of the player pool.

NFL 5 times more likely than other levels (never seen this but I believe you) probably because the NFL forced the issue and tried to improve the numbers through the Rooney rule and no such thing in college?

5 times more likely comes from about 9% of all coaches are black vs about 44% of nfl coaches.

Again, I don’t see the player pool as the coaching pool because a very small % of players go into coaching, and it requires different interests and different skill sets.

 

[Ring 6]

Nepotism is hiring family and friends for positions solely because they are family and friends. Qualifications have nothing to do with it. Bill hired his 2 sons because they are his sons not because they were qualified. There is a video interview of Steve saying something like I did not know anything when I first became DB coach.

The issue with nepotism is it takes opportunities from people who are actually qualified. Of course once you have a number of people, you will have a % of success.

Lastly maybe we have 6-8 new HC a year because they make it that far through something other than merit.

Qualification has everything to do with it.
If they are qualified they aren’t hired “solely because they are family”.

His sons were hired as grunts and worked their way up. I am not aware of a single case of nfl nepotism where a relative was hired into a position that wasn’t lowest level and they earned their way up.

 

[patman12]

Terrible decision if true. He doesn’t have the experience nor enough knowledge about the offensive side of the team and that’s where we need the most help .

Huh, maybe they’ll hire an experienced OC.

 

[patman12]

Mayo is fine if you have a great OC and a legit GM in place

Agree, which is the most likely plan. Not even Belichick got sole GM responsibilities until well into his tenure as a coach.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Huh, maybe they’ll hire an experienced OC.

We need to make sure that we keep the OC for multiple years especially if we intend on drafting a QB. We don’t want our next guy to go through the same musical chairs at OC that Mac did. It was beneficial to Tom to have stability with Charlie Weis for his first 5 seasons.

 

[ahmed]

Qualification has everything to do with it.
If they are qualified they aren’t hired “solely because they are family”.

His sons were hired as grunts and worked their way up. I am not aware of a single case of nfl nepotism where a relative was hired into a position that wasn’t lowest level and they earned their way up.

Sure all the friends and family members of coaches that were hired were all qualified. Like family decision makers would not at all favour their family and friends in promotions. Somehow football coaching talent is focused to the extreme in few family and friend circles.


One example. Ever heard of John Carrol University? Tiny one with 3.5k students or so. Yet somehow by pure coincidence it produced so many coaches and execs starting early 2000s. All very coincidental. The number of them that worked for us was also purely a coincidence and qualification driven.


David Caldwell – former general manager, Jacksonville Jaguars

Nick Caserio – general manager, Houston Texans

Josh McDaniels – former head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, former head coach of the Denver Broncos

Brian Polian – college football coach

Chris Polian – American football scout and executive, NFL

Greg Roman – offensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens, former for the Buffalo Bills and San Francisco 49ers

Jerry Schuplinski – assistant coach, Las Vegas Raiders

Nick Caley – tight ends coach, New England Patriots

Frank Ross – assistant coach, NFL Houston Texans Dave Ziegler – former general manager, Las Vegas Raiders

 

[Ring 6]

Sure all the friends and family members of coaches that were hired were all qualified. Like family decision makers would not at all favour their family and friends in promotions. Somehow football coaching talent is focused to the extreme in few family and friend circles.


One example. Ever heard of John Carrol University? Tiny one with 3.5k students or so. Yet somehow by pure coincidence it produced so many coaches and execs starting early 2000s. All very coincidental. The number of them that worked for us was also purely a coincidence and qualification driven.


David Caldwell – former general manager, Jacksonville Jaguars

Nick Caserio – general manager, Houston Texans

Josh McDaniels – former head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, former head coach of the Denver Broncos

Brian Polian – college football coach

Chris Polian – American football scout and executive, NFL

Greg Roman – offensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens, former for the Buffalo Bills and San Francisco 49ers

Jerry Schuplinski – assistant coach, Las Vegas Raiders

Nick Caley – tight ends coach, New England Patriots

Frank Ross – assistant coach, NFL Houston Texans Dave Ziegler – former general manager, Las Vegas Raiders

You are seriously cynical.

I can believe you are surprised that coaches hired other coaches they have worked with. The ones that came through NE started as grunts. Picking people up at the airport, breaking down film and worked there way up. His many former players are willing to do that. How many people over 22 years old are willing to do that? It’s not a conspiracy it’s searching for someone willing to work really hard and commit to the career, and it’s not surprising to me at all that when you find one you probably look favorably on someone they recommend. Many people that start in that role don’t make it, so it’s kind of insulting to belittle the ones who did as if they were gifted it.

 

[ahmed]

You are seriously cynical.

I can believe you are surprised that coaches hired other coaches they have worked with. The ones that came through NE started as grunts. Picking people up at the airport, breaking down film and worked there way up. His many former players are willing to do that. How many people over 22 years old are willing to do that? It’s not a conspiracy it’s searching for someone willing to work really hard and commit to the career, and it’s not surprising to me at all that when you find one you probably look favorably on someone they recommend. Many people that start in that role don’t make it, so it’s kind of insulting to belittle the ones who did as if they were gifted it.

I like to think of myself as objective lol

 

[VJCPatriot]

I like Mayo….great player….getting a good start at coaching….but he has NO HC experience obviously and has not been coaching that long. He has also been learning at the hip of BB….and that model has been failing miserably as of past 4-5 years. Mayo is NOT what this team needs right now in moving on from BB ….i hope Bob K thinks this one through thoroughly…

I have no idea if Mayo is qualified to be our next head coach. I have heard rumors that Mayo was 'promised' a shot at the HC job should BB leave and that's the only reason he stayed on with the Patriots.

I believe that the Patriots should do their due diligence and seriously interview the best HC candidates they can, including Mayo, and then make a decision. I don't feel like they should hold themselves to probably what amounted to a 'handshake' promise if it gets in the way of hiring the best person for the job.

Kraft talked in interviews about needing 'checks and balances' so I also firmly believe that a new GM will be hired. I want the Patriots to be thorough in finding the best respective people for the various job positions - HC, OC, DC, GM and/or director of player personnel but I believe it's going to be GM at this point the way Kraft was talking.

Obviously whoever the HC will be has a huge influence on who gets the OC/DC posts. But I believe GM should be hired independently and quite frankly I want them to clean house in that department. This is the one place they shouldn't promote from within because the decision-making there has been terrible.