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An excellent post.Interesting, no one here sees similarity w/ Jason Pierre-Paul of the Giants. Admittedly, he is young and a bit of a projection. But he has the rare measurables, is coachable, and comes w/ football pedigree. Think 2013 for his real contributions.
The Eagles would have selected him but for Cox being available to them.
Can't fault BB for taking him -- even if it means taking a chance on him. As Mike Reiss and Peter King have independently pointed out, BB should have selected either Brook Reed or Jabal Sheard last year -- so better late than never. In combination w/ Hightower and Bequette, our front seven may be a force.
JPP seems to be the most common comp for Jones, based on physical similarity. (Aldon Jones could work, too.) One thing to note on JPP is that he's not a guy you want to try to teach a complicated defense where he has to diagnose and play multiple roles. He is very, umm, "learning-limited." VERY. Jones looks like a Rhodes Scholar in comparison.
An excellent post.
I think JPP snuffed out a few plays in the SB that stymied what would have otherwise been productive plays. This Belichick must have taken to heart.
I don't think that's controversial to say.
I'd like to see the Combine comparisons between Jones and Pierre. The body similarity is there if Jones puts on 15 pounds.
And I think kudos need to be given to posters here like Captain Stone and Ochmed Jones who were calling for defensive help in last year's draft, esp. on the edge. These guys and many other posters have been proven right.
You mean Aldon Smith?
I'd like to see the Combine comparisons between Jones and Pierre. The body similarity is there if Jones puts on 15 pounds.
Here's a nice breakdown on Jones, which also looks at Jones' vs. JPP's vs. Aldon Smith's measurements:
So you drafted Chandler Jones
They list Jones at 6'4 1/2", but he actually measured in at 6'5 3/8" at the Combine. Although his 40 time is slightly slower than those of Aldon Smith and JPP (which is probably irrelevant), he measures better in EVERY other aspect:
- Length: 85 3/4" wingspan for Jones vs. 83 7/8" for Smith vs. 81" for JPP; 35 1/2" arms for Jones vs. 35 3/8" for Smith vs. 34 6/8" for JPP
- Upper body strength: 22 reps @ 225 for Jones vs. 20 for Smith vs. 19 for JPP
- Explosiveness: 35" vertical for Jones vs. 34" for Smith vs. 30.5" for JPP; 10' broad jump for Jones vs. 9'10" for Smith vs. 9'7" for JPP
- Short area burst: 1.63 10 yard split for Jones vs. 1.65 for JPP vs. 1.68 for Smith
- Agility: 7.07 3-cone for Jones vs. 7.18 for JPP vs. 7.22 for Smith; 4.39 short shuttle for Jones vs. 4.55 for Smith vs. 4.67 for JPP
Obviously, there's no guarantee the results will be the same. But Smith and JPP were steals at #7 and #15 overall, respectively. Jones has a great work ethic, attitude, team-first mentality, and MUCH for smarts than JPP. I'll take my chances.
Obviously, there's no guarantee the results will be the same. But Smith and JPP were steals at #7 and #15 overall, respectively. Jones has a great work ethic, attitude, team-first mentality, and MUCH for smarts than JPP. I'll take my chances.
Here's a nice breakdown on Jones, which also looks at Jones' vs. JPP's vs. Aldon Smith's measurements:
So you drafted Chandler Jones
They list Jones at 6'4 1/2", but he actually measured in at 6'5 3/8" at the Combine. Although his 40 time is slightly slower than those of Aldon Smith and JPP (which is probably irrelevant), he measures better in EVERY other aspect:
- Length: 85 3/4" wingspan for Jones vs. 83 7/8" for Smith vs. 81" for JPP; 35 1/2" arms for Jones vs. 35 3/8" for Smith vs. 34 6/8" for JPP
- Upper body strength: 22 reps @ 225 for Jones vs. 20 for Smith vs. 19 for JPP
- Explosiveness: 35" vertical for Jones vs. 34" for Smith vs. 30.5" for JPP; 10' broad jump for Jones vs. 9'10" for Smith vs. 9'7" for JPP
- Short area burst: 1.63 10 yard split for Jones vs. 1.65 for JPP vs. 1.68 for Smith
- Agility: 7.07 3-cone for Jones vs. 7.18 for JPP vs. 7.22 for Smith; 4.39 short shuttle for Jones vs. 4.55 for Smith vs. 4.67 for JPP
Obviously, there's no guarantee the results will be the same. But Smith and JPP were steals at #7 and #15 overall, respectively. Jones has a great work ethic, attitude, team-first mentality, and MUCH for smarts than JPP. I'll take my chances.
Here's a nice breakdown on Jones, which also looks at Jones' vs. JPP's vs. Aldon Smith's measurements:
So you drafted Chandler Jones
They list Jones at 6'4 1/2", but he actually measured in at 6'5 3/8" at the Combine. Although his 40 time is slightly slower than those of Aldon Smith and JPP (which is probably irrelevant), he measures better in EVERY other aspect:
- Length: 85 3/4" wingspan for Jones vs. 83 7/8" for Smith vs. 81" for JPP; 35 1/2" arms for Jones vs. 35 3/8" for Smith vs. 34 6/8" for JPP
- Upper body strength: 22 reps @ 225 for Jones vs. 20 for Smith vs. 19 for JPP
- Explosiveness: 35" vertical for Jones vs. 34" for Smith vs. 30.5" for JPP; 10' broad jump for Jones vs. 9'10" for Smith vs. 9'7" for JPP
- Short area burst: 1.63 10 yard split for Jones vs. 1.65 for JPP vs. 1.68 for Smith
- Agility: 7.07 3-cone for Jones vs. 7.18 for JPP vs. 7.22 for Smith; 4.39 short shuttle for Jones vs. 4.55 for Smith vs. 4.67 for JPP
Obviously, there's no guarantee the results will be the same. But Smith and JPP were steals at #7 and #15 overall, respectively. Jones has a great work ethic, attitude, team-first mentality, and MUCH for smarts than JPP. I'll take my chances.
Also, FWIW JPP could do continuous backflips across the field. Does that translate to success in the NFL? Perhaps
I'm hopeful as well. A lot will depend on how Jones is used. JPP and Aldon Smith were put into near ideal situations for them and you can see the results. Jones seems to do best when he has the option to speed rush outside. During the draft, I heard the term "speed to power" and I really think it applies to Jones. Because of his height/arm length, a tackle simply can't let him get around the edge with an arm free since the risk of a strip is too great. If the tackle overstrides, Jones has the strength to push them back into the QB's lap. So even if he isn't getting sacks (and he didn't get a lot at Syracuse), he is making the pocket chaotic.
This is why Belichick trades up for Jones and trades down off of Matthews. Matthews (who also plays in a situation ideal for him) gets handled cleanly an inordinate amount of the time simply by escorting him around the pocket. The Packers accept this because of their ability to create confusion and turnovers. This would drive Belichick absolutely insane.
I also don't believe it is a coincidence that Hightower was drafted along with Jones. Hightower isn't track-fast but he is a blur and arrives with authority when rushing between the tackles.
If the Patriots run a vanilla scheme (3-4 or 4-3) like they did last year, I hate this draft. Not that the players aren't talented, but you have to unleash them to realize that talent. I'd like to see a scheme where the Pats always show 5 potential rushers (including Jones outside and Hightower inside) and rush 3-5 of them depending on the play call. If this is the case, I can see a domino effect where the DBs become more effective since the QB and protection need to think more and aren't just running constant 3-step drops to their first reads.
Most collegiate pass rushers live and die by their quickness to the edge. It's rare to see a defensive end who excels at hand fighting and placement: the fine art of delivering an initial blow to a pass protector, ripping his arms so he cannot latch on, and getting the hands under the blocker's shoulder pads to steer him out of the way. [Jones] excels at these skills. He disengages from blocks easily and can bull rush or work inside of his defender. These skills allow him to be an effective pass rusher when lined up over an offensive tackle, a typical assignment for a Steelers-style 3-4 defensive end. Jones can create pressure while staying within his pass-rushing lane, an essential skill when playing on a team that blitzes frequently.
I wouldnt put too much stock in it, Braylon Edwards can do a cartwheel into a backflip.
Thanks, that was a good and exciting breakdown.Here's a nice breakdown on Jones, which also looks at Jones' vs. JPP's vs. Aldon Smith's measurements:
So you drafted Chandler Jones
They list Jones at 6'4 1/2", but he actually measured in at 6'5 3/8" at the Combine. Although his 40 time is slightly slower than those of Aldon Smith and JPP (which is probably irrelevant), he measures better in EVERY other aspect:
- Length: 85 3/4" wingspan for Jones vs. 83 7/8" for Smith vs. 81" for JPP; 35 1/2" arms for Jones vs. 35 3/8" for Smith vs. 34 6/8" for JPP
- Upper body strength: 22 reps @ 225 for Jones vs. 20 for Smith vs. 19 for JPP
- Explosiveness: 35" vertical for Jones vs. 34" for Smith vs. 30.5" for JPP; 10' broad jump for Jones vs. 9'10" for Smith vs. 9'7" for JPP
- Short area burst: 1.63 10 yard split for Jones vs. 1.65 for JPP vs. 1.68 for Smith
- Agility: 7.07 3-cone for Jones vs. 7.18 for JPP vs. 7.22 for Smith; 4.39 short shuttle for Jones vs. 4.55 for Smith vs. 4.67 for JPP
Obviously, there's no guarantee the results will be the same. But Smith and JPP were steals at #7 and #15 overall, respectively. Jones has a great work ethic, attitude, team-first mentality, and MUCH for smarts than JPP. I'll take my chances.
Here's a nice breakdown on Jones, which also looks at Jones' vs. JPP's vs. Aldon Smith's measurements:
So you drafted Chandler Jones
They list Jones at 6'4 1/2", but he actually measured in at 6'5 3/8" at the Combine. Although his 40 time is slightly slower than those of Aldon Smith and JPP (which is probably irrelevant), he measures better in EVERY other aspect:
- Length: 85 3/4" wingspan for Jones vs. 83 7/8" for Smith vs. 81" for JPP; 35 1/2" arms for Jones vs. 35 3/8" for Smith vs. 34 6/8" for JPP
- Upper body strength: 22 reps @ 225 for Jones vs. 20 for Smith vs. 19 for JPP
- Explosiveness: 35" vertical for Jones vs. 34" for Smith vs. 30.5" for JPP; 10' broad jump for Jones vs. 9'10" for Smith vs. 9'7" for JPP
- Short area burst: 1.63 10 yard split for Jones vs. 1.65 for JPP vs. 1.68 for Smith
- Agility: 7.07 3-cone for Jones vs. 7.18 for JPP vs. 7.22 for Smith; 4.39 short shuttle for Jones vs. 4.55 for Smith vs. 4.67 for JPP
Obviously, there's no guarantee the results will be the same. But Smith and JPP were steals at #7 and #15 overall, respectively. Jones has a great work ethic, attitude, team-first mentality, and MUCH for smarts than JPP. I'll take my chances.
With good athleticism and body control, flips are easy to learn. They are more mental than anything. I can do double fulls, double backflips, corkscrews, a standing full, etc.
I like watching players who are able to flip or dance or do something outside of football, because they have a higher degree of spatial awareness, generally speaking. So, while not causal, flips definitely correlate with success on the field in my opinion.
Honestly, I'd love to get some of the Patriots players into the gym I run. I could teach them all sorts of movement techniques.
Metaphors, you're a genius.I'm hopeful as well. A lot will depend on how Jones is used. JPP and Aldon Smith were put into near ideal situations for them and you can see the results. Jones seems to do best when he has the option to speed rush outside. During the draft, I heard the term "speed to power" and I really think it applies to Jones. Because of his height/arm length, a tackle simply can't let him get around the edge with an arm free since the risk of a strip is too great. If the tackle overstrides, Jones has the strength to push them back into the QB's lap. So even if he isn't getting sacks (and he didn't get a lot at Syracuse), he is making the pocket chaotic.
This is why Belichick trades up for Jones and trades down off of Matthews. Matthews (who also plays in a situation ideal for him) gets handled cleanly an inordinate amount of the time simply by escorting him around the pocket. The Packers accept this because of their ability to create confusion and turnovers. This would drive Belichick absolutely insane.
I also don't believe it is a coincidence that Hightower was drafted along with Jones. Hightower isn't track-fast but he is a blur and arrives with authority when rushing between the tackles.
If the Patriots run a vanilla scheme (3-4 or 4-3) like they did last year, I hate this draft. Not that the players aren't talented, but you have to unleash them to realize that talent. I'd like to see a scheme where the Pats always show 5 potential rushers (including Jones outside and Hightower inside) and rush 3-5 of them depending on the play call. If this is the case, I can see a domino effect where the DBs become more effective since the QB and protection need to think more and aren't just running constant 3-step drops to their first reads.