PostGame Thread OFFICIAL 2023 Post Game Thread: Week 16 - NE @ DEN

[condon84]

And he forced him to cut Zappe too?

It's not about Zappe, it's about Mac. He could have put Scott Zolak back there and it would have been an improvement over Mac.

 

[ohiopatsfan]

BB is a good coach, especially on defense. At 71, I do wonder how much he may have slipped, however. If he does return, I hope RK has the sense to hire a legitimate GM to handle the draft. Even picking 4-6 in the 2024 draft, we should be able to get at least a couple of quality players as long as the picks are managed wisely. Also, cap space will help with FA signings. If BB refuses to relinquish full control, RK really needs to move on to a new HC.

 

[festy1986]

I do understand that we want the highest pick possible because it gives you some excitement for the future.
But I’m sorry. I will never root for us to lose.
The Draft is a crap shoot. So there is a good possibility that we wish for our team to lose and then get a bust with the 2nd pick. These top 2 QB’s scare the crap out of me.
Rather win and take a OT that will be with us for the next 10 years
The only QB I like is Daniel’s. But he is slight and you would have to develop an offense around him
Win out and get a OT

To be clear. No one is rooting for the Patriots to lose in quarter 2 of game 1 here.

It's been a miserable 3 months and the table is already set. Why spoil the dinner at serving time?

I don't tell anyone how to be a "fan" so I'm not sure why so many people are disgusted by a rather innocuous take.

 

[PATS16N0]

Ian should make a special dunce-hat icon for every poster that was acting as a state-propagandist for Mac Jones this season, so everyone knows you can simply ignore everything they say in the future.

 

[sb1]

Preach

 

[Triumph]

Where was the lie in that 1000?

My my someone is triggered. Be happy it’s week 5!

Now you are on to week 5 x 1000

Moron

 

[sb1]

Now you are on to week 5 x 1000

Moron

I didn’t make that hilarious prediction chief that was yours. I’m only mocking it over and over again, and rightfully so.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Are you going to declare him not suitable for today’s NFL after an injury shortened season where he was excelling?

In fairness, injury/availability have to be included.

He got hurt making a simple tackle.

There were concerns about his frame leading up to the draft.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

It's not about Zappe, it's about Mac. He could have put Scott Zolak back there and it would have been an improvement over Mac.

I do think we can put the Mac thing to bed…it was a bad rd 1 miss. He isn’t good.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

BB is a good coach, especially on defense. At 71, I do wonder how much he may have slipped, however. If he does return, I hope RK has the sense to hire a legitimate GM to handle the draft. Even picking 4-6 in the 2024 draft, we should be able to get at least a couple of quality players as long as the picks are managed wisely. Also, cap space will help with FA signings. If BB refuses to relinquish full control, RK really needs to move on to a new HC.

It isn’t JUST player personnel….coaching staff is also subpar

 

[sb1]

I do think we can put the Mac thing to bed…it was a bad rd 1 miss. He isn’t good.

Many first round QBs have a decent first season and then flame out. Oh well. If he could learn to handle adversity when everything is not perfect like it was at Bama then he’ll be ok. He can do that somewhere else.

Hopefully for him if he still has an NFL career ahead of him he’s learned from this. Hysterics pouting and temper tantrums are not a great look in front of your teammates and coaching staff. It’s a good way to alienate them all. He was never a leader. Zappe with all the flaws in his game at least seems to have his team bought in.

 

[The Gr8est]

It isn’t JUST player personnel….coaching staff is also subpar

In fairness to BB, the Pats coaches were raided unmercifully during their dynasty.

I wish the league allowed some sort of compensation for lost coaches, just like they do for FA losses.

It takes time and resources to develop coaches and other teams got to benefit from the Pats’ efforts for free.

 

[Ring 6]

2008 to 2013 they were pretty horrendous.

Letting branch and givens go cost them the 2006 Superbowl.

As for the Brady thing. I'm not going to continue to discuss it ad nauseam. But the numbers without Brady, which is a huge sample size (8 seasons) are not even middle of the pack.

You can't give Bill best ever status without acknowledging the fact that he had the best player of all time at the most important position doing all the work.

You can repeat to your blue in the face that Bill is best ever but my statement rings true. Every time.

2008-2013 points allowed ranks 8,5,8,15,9,10. Wanna try again?

Givens 8 career catches after leaving are haunting you, huh?

You can’t remove the Brady years from evaluating belichick because he built those teams and it is the brunt of his career.

He is the best ever. Best ever is based upon results, not what ifs.

Name anyone ever who has done the job better. Your inability to do that is what rings true, not you woulda,coulda, shoulda BS.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Ok, whoa. That’s a bit too far.

I would have thought that too but did you watch the Browns game? Dude was slinging it really well.

 

[Ring 6]

There's not a whole lot to say other than if you pick Bill instead of Brady for those 20 years than you really didn't pay attention.

One of these guys proved they didn't need the other and it wasn't Bill.

You cant contribute any of those 20 years to Bill and just write off Tom.

There is no picking, they were a team. Just like all of the other players, coaches, trainers, front office staff, scouts, etc.

There is no universe where Brady “proved he didn’t need belichick”. Even Brady says so.

 

[Free_Pacman]

Without Brady he's a far cry from the greatest ever.

The numbers don't support it at all.

it's you who's cherry picking

Bill left quite a few titles out there by refusing to address the WR situation for almost the entire time he's been here and that 5 year stretch where he couldn't find a defense back to save his life.

“If you just ignore Belichick’s twenty greatest years- an unprecedented period of dominance in American sports- he’s really is a no-good, good-for-nothing, terrible coach! Just ignore those 20 years though!”

Clown.

 

[Free_Pacman]

There's not a whole lot to say other than if you pick Bill instead of Brady for those 20 years than you really didn't pay attention.

One of these guys proved they didn't need the other and it wasn't Bill.

You cant contribute any of those 20 years to Bill and just write off Tom.

No one is writing off Brady, clown; I doubt there is a single poster on here who doesn’t consider Brady the greatest of all-time. At the same time, football is a team sport and it’s completely fine and normal to acknowledge other individual’s played a role in the Patriots’ success, along with Brady. It’s not an either-or situation.

 

[Free_Pacman]

We should have started Zappe week#1. We would be right in the Wildcard hunt. Mac Jones koolaid drinkers should be ****ing embarrassed with how bad their takes were all year. They’re partially responsible for helping to ruin the season. Good job.

Not only this season, but we absolutely would have made the playoffs last year if Zappe had started from the Bears game on. There’s zero doubt in my mind of that.

 

[JohnJH]

The problem with keeping BB is that he is very likely to just go all defense in rounds 1-3 again when it's obvious we're in desperate need of help on offense. The man is still a great defensive coach but he's a dinosaur in terms of talent evalution and team building. The only reason he won so much in New England is that he had TB12 to make the offense work despite him making terrible draft blunders year after year.

Well 4 years post-Brady we have hit the bottom. Let's put it this way if BB didn't have Brady for 20 years, he'd go down in history as just another Rex Ryan, a very nice defensive coordinator but not much more than that.

Now am I happy that we beat the Broncos at Mile High. Of course, the euphoria factor is there. Beating a hated team gives a lot of satisfaction. However long term this does hurt our draft picks. And that's the future of this franchise. Tankathon NFL now has us at the #4 pick instead of the #2 pick. Forget Williams or Maye, we might not even get Marvin Harrison Jr. now.

Any further wins only hurts our future even though it might give short term satisfaction. It's time to shut it down. Moral victories don't help when you don't have talent.

But hey at least we get to celebrate a Christmas win. So at least that's a positive feeling to hold onto for the holidays.

PS Zappe showed me more in his sprinkling of starts this season than Mac Jones has shown all this year and last year. I'm not convinced that Zappe is more than a backup QB in this league but at least he's better than Mac who looks to be ruined beyond salvage thanks to BB's mishandling of his development.

The time time to have shut it down was before we played Denver, if not earlier before we played Pittsburgh.

 

[condon84]

Many first round QBs have a decent first season and then flame out. Oh well. If he could learn to handle adversity when everything is not perfect like it was at Bama then he’ll be ok. He can do that somewhere else.

Hopefully for him if he still has an NFL career ahead of him he’s learned from this. Hysterics pouting and temper tantrums are not a great look in front of your teammates and coaching staff. It’s a good way to alienate them all. He was never a leader. Zappe with all the flaws in his game at least seems to have his team bought in.

It's never gonna be like Bama where it was like varsity playing JV teams.

Tua gets hit a lot in MIA. Even Brady got hit when we had that 07 super team.

Mac is soft. He acts spoiled and entitled, throwing tantrums on the field. It was evident last year and has excarcebated this year. And on top of having below average physical tools for an NFL QB.

You can tell the energy behind the team now with Zappe vs what it displayed with Mac.