Explosive New Hernandez Details

[Deus Irae]

all I am saying is that if someone is wrong in what they post why do some feel a need to correct them to the point of 100% factual information? The people claiming the other is wrong also do not have 100% factual information that the person is not right.

Because it's really stupid and, in the case of a charge as serious as murder, really irresponsible, to proclaim someone "clearly guilty" when that's "clearly" not the case because the evidence is unknown and the reports that are out there are conflicting.

Or, to put it another way..... This isn't a discussion of O.J., post trial, where the evidence is out for all to see and discuss.

Or ... some feel a need to control the thread ... now that's the ticket.

I doubt that has anything to do with it. It certainly doesn't apply in my case.

 

[DaBruinz]

And what part do you attribute to 1) the investigators catching up to the situation, and 2) the media catching up to the investigation? Also, most of these I don't consider to be major facts but rather ancillary but still relevant facts, but that's more of a quibble than anything.

You consider whether or not Ahern was cooperating or not to be ancillary?

You consider whether or not Ahern is a suspect to be ancillary?

You consider the other events, which had they been gun related in terms of Ahern possessing the gun, to be ancillary?

 

[Brock Samson]

Yet, you are drawing conclusions. You did so about the cleaning crew.

They're buried several pages back but I explicitly posted that I am not drawing conclusions about this story, I did also say that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it's probably a duck. (My version of a duck is AHern covering up for his buddies because I just don't want to think he's stupid enough to be the shooter.)

There has been no confirmed report that the hard drive of the system was physically damaged. BTW, you do know that HDDs fail and burn up, right? That is physical damage to the HDD.

Not sure about the confirmed part - I mean not much has been confirmed about this story - but the reports I saw said "intentionally" damaged which pretty much precludes the click of death.

 

[DaBruinz]

It's a rose colored glasses scenario though, because a rich guy would have just called and had it replaced (if you don't mind me turning the rich guy always getting his house cleaned scenario around for a bit).

Again, not necessarily. Particularly not if you are ticked off because you couldn't figure out the system to begin with. But, I point you back to the number of companies who don't get their security systems repaired after they have failed.

 

[BSR]

He said listen more and share less ... the discussion was related to the posting in the thread. I took that literally ... in any case I am not going to keep repeating that it's okay for people to post opinions in a forum whether they are right or wrong or somewhere in between.

Are you really afraid that those arguing not to rush to judgement are being overzealous? Did you see the opinion poll? I don't think it is ever bad advice to listen more and share less. I hardly see how I am advocating that peoples opinions need to be checked in with "expert members". I am just saying people should step back and think. And with that I am going to finish polishing off the bottle of wine that I started with the wife and spend a quite evening at home not thinking about Ahern. Night all.

 

[Brock Samson]

You consider whether or not Ahern was cooperating or not to be ancillary?

You consider whether or not Ahern is a suspect to be ancillary?

Yes, because those things could have changed as things played out over the last week.

You consider the other events, which had they been gun related in terms of Ahern possessing the gun, to be ancillary?

To be honest I haven't seen reports of AHern possessing the gun at all.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Because it's really stupid and, in the case of a charge as serious as murder, really irresponsible, to proclaim someone "clearly guilty" when that's "clearly" not the case because the evidence is unknown and the reports that are out there are conflicting.

Or, to put it another way..... This isn't a discussion of O.J., post trial, where the evidence is out for all to see and discuss.



I doubt that has anything to do with it. It certainly doesn't apply in my case.

Human nature is what it is ... I am just not sure why it bothers you so much.

Happens every day on every discussion board ... it's their opinion and it's okay.

This from Ian's forum page:
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.... as in discussion ... not as in a listing of factual information only.

 

[Deus Irae]

They're buried several pages back but I explicitly posted that I am not drawing conclusions about this story...

He's definitely involved in the shooting, at least based on what's been reported, the question is to what extent.

All of that would involve him, to some extent, in the shooting. Doesn't mean he's the shooter, but again, he's clearly involved. His car, his house, his phone, his friends, his surveillance system - all of that involves him. Maybe we just have different notions of the meaning of the word 'involved'?

There are more examples, but that sets the table nicely, I think.

 

[Brock Samson]

Again, not necessarily. Particularly not if you are ticked off because you couldn't figure out the system to begin with. But, I point you back to the number of companies who don't get their security systems repaired after they have failed.

Yeah, but now you're back in "not necessarily" and "coulda woulda shoulda" land, which is not very convincing.

 

[Ironman44]

I am not saying he is innocent but almost anything can have an explanation, here is an example ( a totally made up fantasy story that would explain everything etc) :

4 could have left the house, Loyd could have met them there in his car (rented by hernandez ), 1 guy of the original 4 goes home with a girl he met or a friend... so 3 now come back with AH to his house ...loyd goes by himself to meet up and score some drugs ,on the way back form the bar, near AH's house to keep the party going .

gets killed during an argument with drug dealer, maybe pulls a gun on him, gun jams turns to run away, dealer kills him .

AH finds out about it from the drug dealer ( "your homeboy just went crazy on me and I had to cap him), AH panics, knows on his own video equipment he is doing drugs on camera, smashes it. Knows that on his phone is the contact info for the drug dealer , he smashes the phone.

AH in the above scenario is guilty of soliciting drugs and keeping potential info about the murder to himself.

But he didn't kill anybody.

 

[Joker]

you do that BSR ...and have a well deserved break from this battlefield of banality..and remember Joe Kerr's Fundamental Law Of Message Board Theatrics...

I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO OBSESS!

 

[Brock Samson]

There are more examples, but that sets the table nicely, I think.

It certainly does. All it takes to involve AHern in the shooting is his associate, near his house, and with his rental car nearby. And nobody is refuting those facts. AHern is clearly involved, and it's just a question of extent, his legal culpability, and less importantly, the repercussions to his career..

 

[Deus Irae]

Human nature is what it is ... I am just not sure why it bothers you so much.

It doesnt, and you know that. I'm not sure why you're trying to change the discussion to an area that I've pointed out time and again around here. At this point, you pretty much either need to be trolling or you've completely missed what I've been saying.

 

[Deus Irae]

It certainly does. All it takes to involve AHern in the shooting is his associate, near his house, and with his rental car nearby. And nobody is refuting those facts. AHern is clearly involved, and it's just a question of extent, his legal culpability, and less importantly, the repercussions to his career..

What it does is shows you're lying when you claim you're not drawing conclusions.


That's what it does.

 

[DaBruinz]

Not sure about the confirmed part - I mean not much has been confirmed about this story - but the reports I saw said "intentionally" damaged which pretty much precludes the click of death.

The report said the system was damaged. It did not, specifically, identify the HDD what was damaged. That is you jumping to a conclusion.

There are many parts to a surveillance system. Many of them have proprietary keyboards, monitors, computers, etc. So, one can smash the keyboard, monitor and such and that makes the system unusable until those pieces are replaced.

As for what ABC News reported, I point you to them insisting, yesterday, that it was imminent that an arrest warrant would be issued for Ahern and then today then saying that one HAD been issued for Ahern. They aren't particularly credible on this story. Neither is FOX25.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Well ... to take a different road here ...

Odin being off the main road near the woods.

Did he go there to meet someone or was he trying to get away?

I am thinking he went there to get away ... saw he took a bad turn ... left the vehicle and dropped his gun while running.

who would leave their gun at the scene?

speculation of course ... have not seen much discussion of it.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yeah, but now you're back in "not necessarily" and "coulda woulda shoulda" land, which is not very convincing.

No. What I am is offering very plausible explanations other than criminal mischief. That is where you are falling flat on your face. You are INSISTING that the reports are correct despite them having been shown to be incorrect on numerous other things regarding this story. You so desperately want to hold on to them and refuse to acknowledge that they've been wrong on more than a few counts.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

What's interesting to me is how powerful silence is to so many people here on this board. Let me first say that I am in no way predicting that AH will be cleared or that he isn't guilty. But the fact that he has remained silent is clearly making everyone here unable to consider that he may have a completely reasonable defense.

As soon as his attorneys release a statement saying "Aaron is completely innocent of these allegations" it's like a light switch will be flipped on and everyone will suddenly feel the doubt that maybe they jumped to a conclusion too soon. So, I recommend holding off judgment until someone actually says something on the record- whether it's the police (and not an unnamed source) or Hernandez's legal team.

 

[IllegalContact]

It's already come out with that lovely Wes Welker anecdote that Hernandez get's frustrated easily by electronics he can't figure out how to use. What would have stopped him from getting upset and smashing it months ago and chose not to get it fixed?

The problem with everyone damning Hernandez for that is that we never heard about it after either of the searches on Tuesday. It was only after the search on Wednesday. Any video surveillance would have been something that they'd have asked for immediately in the first warrant, not Wednesday after they'd been their twice previously.

anything is still possible......the only real fact is that a guy is dead. the security system and the phone don't change that nor the fact that AH was seen with the deceased the night he was killed.

all we can do is suppose.........there are a lot of holes that don't make sense......if the guy was killed at the dump, then why is anyone even making an issue of AH having cleaners at his house......even the security system becomes irrelevant unless it shows the 3 dragging the guy out of the house before he gets killed.

I am just supposing this, but if I were to bet on a scenario, I'd say the 4 of the were completely intoxicated....possibly to the point where the 3 themselves aren't exactly sure of all the details.

through all this confusion, it is possible that he winds up not doing any time........but I'll bet he will not play football this year

 

[IcyPatriot]

...and have a well deserved break from this battlefield of banality..and remember Joe Kerr's Fundamental Law Of Message Board Theatrics...

I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO OBSESS!

Why not ... you must be lusting for something more important.