Left Tackle will be huge ongoing problem for Pats this season

[BTTA]

First of all Brown wasn't an issue last year. He came in motivated and appeared to give full effort.
The OL had Matty-Fatty-Pword coaching the line. So everything should start from scratch with BOB and Klemm.
Then lets see who can't play. Until Brown completely stops trying, he's the guy. Then, just like McDermott last year, if one of the vets outplays others with smarts and grit, I'm fine with that.

That kind of level headed thinking will get you trashed around here.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

OMG! The sky is falling! The season is a disaster!

Training camp opens in just over a month. Please pace yourselves. At this rate you’ll all be exhausted before they put pads on.

We should have a hill posters have to run when they panic too early

When complaining that the Patriots didn’t add good enough players, it’s usually good to suggest who better options would have been.

He said Jonathan Ogden

 

[captain stone]

First of all Brown wasn't an issue last year. He came in motivated and appeared to give full effort.

Say what?

 

[State]

LT is the carbon fibre that will likely implode this Patriots season.

First, there’s you:

First of all Brown wasn't an issue last year. He came in motivated and appeared to give full effort.

Then there’s Mark Morse:

Last season, [Trent Brown] played like he didn’t care and did not want to be here. To describe him as lackadaisical is an understatement.

I wonder who could be correct.

 

[Betterthanmost]

How is Nate Solder? Can we get him into football shape? How is the family situation now?

 

[Ian]

LT is the carbon fibre that will likely implode this Patriots season.

First, there’s you:

Then there’s Mark Morse:

I wonder who could be correct.

He had that attitude of not being pleased about playing left tackle for right tackle money. At the same time, playing here essentially allowed him to rehabilitate his career again after a similar situation the last time he left…sort of crazy that he’s stuck in that cycle.

And the fact that during their final practice after he did finally show up, he was badly out of shape wasn’t ideal (that was reported by several beat writers who witnessed his time out there). I’m assuming he’ll be ready now that he’ll have a month to prep for meaningful practice reps.

But it’s hard not to be a little concerned about him getting through 17 games healthy and playing at a high level. Especially at the most important spot of that group. It’ll be great if he does, but I’ll feel better if they can also at least start developing someone or, if not, drafting somebody else next April.

 

[Ian]

I will say he had a surprisingly quick first step last year. Aside from the penalties, it was pretty impressive seeing him get off the snap at times last year. Just really hope he rebounds this year…they’re definitely going to need it.

 

[State]

It’s not original with me, but when Mac Jones deals with pressure his impressive accuracy of dropping dimes like he does in shorts goes out the window. His play becomes pedestrian.

At Alabama he played with a group of high-end nfl players that often overpowered the opposition.

 

[State]

This past draft the Patriots were in the driver’s seat to draft two OTs. One, a developmental LT guy that had a lot of experience, good character, and excellent length in Carter Warren. He went 120 to the Jets, which originally was our pick. We traded it to draft Chad Wydleft at 112. Dumb. A kicker.

Warren only played four games his senior year because of an undisclosed injury, which lowered his draft status by a round or two. Scar could have tutored this guy into a bona fide LT.

Then, in the seventh round a RT project with ideal physical, mental, and athletic traits could have been acquired in Northern Michigan’s Jake Witt. He was drafted 236 by the Colts.

I would have taken him at 214 instead of the useless Ameer Speed.

Without Scar, who obviously was greatly respected by Belichick, our tackle play has regressed tremendously. This season looks to be more of the same.

Bill knows his defense like nobody’s business. But he needs input from people he trusts on the fatties on the other side.

 

[Tunescribe]

This past draft the Patriots were in the driver’s seat to draft two OTs. One, a developmental LT guy that had a lot of experience and length at Pittsburgh in Carter Warren. He went 120 to the Jets, which originally was our pick. We traded it to draft Chad Wydleft at 112. Dumb. A kicker.

Warren only played four games his senior year because of an undisclosed injury, which lowered his draft status by a round or two. Scar could have tutored this guy into a bona fide LT.

Then, in the seventh round a RT project with ideal physical, mental, and athletic traits could have been acquired in Northern Michigan’s Jake Witt. He was drafted 236 by the Colts.

I would have taken him at 214 instead of the useless Ameer Speed.

Without Scar, who obviously was greatly respected by Belichick, our tackle play has regressed tremendously. This season looks to be more of the same.

You don't know that. The team has an OL coach this season which it didn't have last year. Stop the damn doom and gloom act, it's wearing thin and the season hasn't even started.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think Taylor Lewan is still out there if his knee is OK.

 

[State]

The team has an OL coach this season which it didn't have last year.

Who caused that disaster to happen? Because that’s what it was. I agree with you. But aren’t you letting someone off the hook?

And you’d have said the same thing a year ago to someone predicting disaster when a defensive coach was taking over the offense.

Are you a gd cheerleader?

 

[Calhoun44]

Who caused that disaster to happen? Because that’s what it was. I agree with you. But aren’t you letting someone off the hook?

And you’d have said the same thing a year ago to someone predicting disaster when a defensive coach was taking over the offense.

Are you a gd cheerleader?

Letting BB off the hook? What does that mean? Are you saying we should blame BB all this season that last year's hire didn't work out every time someone says something about re-tooling the OC position this year? Or are you saying we are letting him off the hook because he should've been fired because of the MP at OC hire last year? I'm not sure what you mean by "letting someone off the hook".

 

[Tunescribe]

Who caused that disaster to happen? Because that’s what it was. I agree with you. But aren’t you letting someone off the hook?

And you’d have said the same thing a year ago to someone predicting disaster when a defensive coach was taking over the offense.

Are you a gd cheerleader?

What? Who is supposed to be on "the hook," for what, two months before the season starts? What does that even mean? Last year I was skeptical about Patricia as OC but kept an open mind until he crapped the bed and then was among the first here to sound the alarm. No, I'm not "a gd cheerleader" but I do try to accentuate the positive and be hopeful. Otherwise there's not much fun in always being negative and predicting/expecting the worst from a team you want to do well. That is, assuming you want them to do well, which isn't a given considering some of the pathetic naysayers around here.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think this years OL including Trent Brown is going to be the least of our problems.

 

[PatsFan2]

There is a consensus that everybody else gets a pass because of the BB **** show staff last season. But Trent Brown will always be a Fat lazy ****.

 

[Ian]

Without Scar, who obviously was greatly respected by Belichick, our tackle play has regressed tremendously. This season looks to be more of the same.

That's a pretty disappointing take considering none of them have had a meaningful practice rep (no full contact reps) yet.

I mentioned Brown previously, but I'm more concerned with how he looks three weeks from now than how he looked in June. Way too early to be sounding that alarm, especially considering they've done more with less (yes, I know, Scar is gone), and we don't know how Klemm will be with this group yet. I'm in more of a "wait and see" mode right now rather than just expecting the worst.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I can't wait for more real-life information... I really can't wait for the kind that comes from games.

But honestly, no matter how much of a homer I am, if I hear that the first four games are really just extended training camp again, I call bullsh1t.

 

[patfanken]

This past draft the Patriots were in the driver’s seat to draft two OTs. One, a developmental LT guy that had a lot of experience, good character, and excellent length in Carter Warren. He went 120 to the Jets, which originally was our pick. We traded it to draft Chad Wydleft at 112. Dumb. A kicker.

Warren only played four games his senior year because of an undisclosed injury, which lowered his draft status by a round or two. Scar could have tutored this guy into a bona fide LT.

Then, in the seventh round a RT project with ideal physical, mental, and athletic traits could have been acquired in Northern Michigan’s Jake Witt. He was drafted 236 by the Colts.

I would have taken him at 214 instead of the useless Ameer Speed.

Without Scar, who obviously was greatly respected by Belichick, our tackle play has regressed tremendously. This season looks to be more of the same.

Bill knows his defense like nobody’s business. But he needs input from people he trusts on the fatties on the other side.

Here's the thing. There are two ways to look at this issue. Either "it's a problem until proven otherwise", or it's NOT a problem until proven otherwise". Right now the glass is either half empty or half full. In other words we don't know if its a problem or not. It LOOKS like a problem given how Brown showed up to OTA's But we won't know IF it really is a problem until he shows up and how enthusiastically he practices in a few weeks/

Now, State, we ALL made the assumption that the Pats were definitely going to draft at least one OT in the first 4 rounds, and maybe even 2 over entire draft. I liked Warren too, but when I read your description of Warren in your post, you could have substituted the name Yadne Cajuste in the same sentence. A nice prospect with an unfortunate Senior year of injuries. Those are always hit or miss kind of picks. The Cajuste pick was considered quite the steal in his draft year, and we got next to nothing for the effort.

So let's try THIS hypothesis on. The Pats had one or two OT's they deemed worthy of the 14th pick, but they were gone and they weren't crazy about Bergeron, or some other 2nd or 3rd round prospects. or maybe the just liked White and Mapi a LOT more.

And just MAYBE, just maybe, they liked the uber athletic and great character guy like Calvin Anderson as much as any 2nd or 3rd tier OT prospect and think they might get him up to speed faster than any first round rookie. Maybe they felt the same way about Rieff Stuber and McDermott compared to any OT they might get in the later rounds. OR maybe they think the have a future OT in the draft in Siddy Sow.

Now I don't know if this hypothesis holds any water and maybe we ARE in deep **** at the OT position. But I DO know that we won't KNOW if its true until about a week AFTER they put the pads on and we get to at least see some live one on one drills. And even then we won't REALLY know until the Preseason games start because, as you SHOULD know. Pass protection is NOT 4 or 5 one on one contests, but rather ONE 5 on 5 or 4 on 5 contest. Those one on one drills are nice for the beat writers to create copy from, but it's a drill where the defense has a big advantage from the start and they SHOULD win. I'd be a LOT more worried about the defense if the OL is winning most of the one on ones, than visa versa

 

[Joker]

Offensive play calling, Ken. If we see 1st down run calls 90% of the time early on, it's going to be another long season. I DESPISED the Strange pick last year to the point I had to leave this board for a few months before the start of the season. I STILL hate that pick at that spot but he's an integral part of this year's O line, as are the other vets on the line. IF O'Brien is going to stick with the worst , most idiotic play calling in MY NFL Patriots history of SIXTY THREE YEARS...then our season is already shot.
I remain optimistic though. I held season tickets from the mid-70's until the early 90's. I sat through 2-14 seasons, bumbling fumbling ownership, overflowing urinals and metal benches in friggin' lightning storms...and guess what? I'd do it all again 100 times over! What I will not tolerate as a die hard Pats fan is another Laurel&Hardy offensive game plan being employed EVERY SINGLE GAME.
Year 3 for Mac...play action on first down...FROM THE GET GO!!! No more "we run the ball on first down every time and then play into every team in the NFL's defenses!" ridiculousness. OVER!! Find out if this kid has what it takes to win at this level. Period.
Otherwise it's just going to be another Chosin Death March season...IMO