Bill Belichick Press Conference 7:30am (1/8/24)

[Real fan 02]

I’ve been calling Mcdaniels return since Vegas fired him.

It's too good to be true for RK, a coach he raised, dam good OC, and is free on top of everything else. Yeah.. he's coming back. So question does he fix Mac? Or is Mac gone?

 

[Rob0729]

Garopollo was a free agent, he was gone after 2016, if belichick wanted to replace Brady with jimmy g (lol, it’s hard to even type that like someone seriously believes it) he couldn’t have waited until after 2017.

Garoppolo was drafted in 2014. He would have become a free agent in 2018. But the Pats traded him before that in October of 2017.

 

[Rob0729]

Disagree that it made no sense. Disagree that Belichick had to make a decision. It made a lot of sense to keep Garoppolo on. Most of us here preferred having him back up rather than a pick simply because we were within our Super Bowl window and saw no point in not keeping that insurance.

AND given the way the call went down, I highly doubt Wickersham's story that Belichick was ordered to trade Garoppolo.

After all, Lynch called Belichick about the trade. Belichick didn't call Lynch. Belichick wasn't shopping Garoppolo around. Lynch even said that BB hung up on him after he asked for Brady (he was joking). But he said after he got off the phone with Belichick, Belichick called him right back and offered Garoppolo.

This is much less an order to trade Garoppolo or even a plan on Belichick's or anyone's part. It sounds like Lynch called him, and after a moment, Belichick called him and offered Garoppolo.

It made no sense to not trade him when Lynch originally came calling in the spring of 2017. He would have had multiple teams via for Garoppolo and would have netted at least a first in 2017.

Trading Garoppolo in season reduces his trade value exponentially. Since it is an in season trade, the odds of Garoppolo even playing that year was low. The odds of him playing before late in the season was next to impossible. So whatever value Garoppolo had was diminished because 2017 was a lost year for whatever team was acquiring him.

If Belichick got right back on the phone and offered Garoppolo, that was an extremely long negotiation for only a second round pick. You would think with six to seven months of trade negotiations with the 49ers over Jimmy G would have at least got another late round pick. Again, Lynch said he called Belichick in the spring of 2017. Belichick traded Garoppolo in October of 2017.

And yes, Belichick did call lynch back six or seven months later and offered Garoppolo which is in line with Wickersham's account that Kraft told Belichick to trade him after he sided with Brady.

 

[Real fan 02]

Instead of a choke artist Kicker on a egregious Trade up too how about that Chard WideLefft.

Chad WHY- land.

 

[Ring 6]

Garoppolo was drafted in 2014. He would have become a free agent in 2018. But the Pats traded him before that in October of 2017.

His contract was expiring at the end of that year. He couldn’t replace Brady with him after 2017 because he was a free agent. And they had just gone to 3 SBs in 4 years, so you speculation is foolish to begin with.

 

[Ring 6]

Garoppolo was drafted in 2014. He would have become a free agent in 2018. But the Pats traded him before that in October of 2017.

Funny how you called me a liar about krafts comments indicating he was in charge of the Brady negotiations and when I posted the proof you went silent.
But why deal with facts when you can tout silly rumors from a discredited reporter who had an ax to grind

 

[Rob0729]

His contract was expiring at the end of that year. He couldn’t replace Brady with him after 2017 because he was a free agent. And they had just gone to 3 SBs in 4 years, so you speculation is foolish to begin with.

Yes, Garoppolo's contract was expiring after the 2017 season and Belichick had to make a decision on him. Belichick has always been the guy who wanted to move on from a guy a year too early.

Brady was 40 years old in 2017. Yes, Brady defied the odds and was still a good QB five years later, but there was no way to know that at the time. But there was no way to know that Brady would defy those odds. Stop acting like Belichick had to make a decision on a Brady in his prime.

And the Patriots third Super Bowl in the second dynasty was 2018. The Pats won two Super Bowls in three years at that point. Not three in four years. And when they won in 2018, it was three in five years.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, Garoppolo's contract was expiring after the 2017 season and Belichick had to make a decision on him. Belichick has always been the guy who wanted to move on from a guy a year too early.

Brady was 40 years old in 2017. Yes, Brady defied the odds and was still a good QB five years later, but there was no way to know that at the time. But there was no way to know that Brady would defy those odds. Stop acting like Belichick had to make a decision on a Brady in his prime.

And the Patriots third Super Bowl in the second dynasty was 2018. The Pats won two Super Bowls in three years at that point. Not three in four years. And when they won in 2018, it was three in five years.

They WENT TO 3 of 4.

If your argument held any weight, belichick would have told lynch to make offers for Brady because he wanted to keep jimmy g instead. Rather than that he told him he was insane.

 

[Rob0729]

Funny how you called me a liar about krafts comments indicating he was in charge of the Brady negotiations and when I posted the proof you went silent.
But why deal with facts when you can tout silly rumors from a discredited reporter who had an ax to grind

I didn't go silent. I clearly pointed out how you misread Kraft's quote in 2013. Kraft was talking how he didn't backload Brady's contract with forcing him to have to cut or trade him. He didn't say he wouldn't pay Brady top dollar.

 

[PatsFan2]

@Real fan 02 is Josh in the building??

 

[Rob0729]

They WENT TO 3 of 4.

If your argument held any weight, belichick would have told lynch to make offers for Brady because he wanted to keep jimmy g instead. Rather than that he told him he was insane.

Ok, I misread your statement on appearances in the Super Bowl. My bad.

But again, Belichick didn't need to let Brady go in 2017. Garoppolo was under contract for cheap money. He didn't have to make a decision this early.

And again, Brady was 41 in 2018. The odds were against him to be even a serviceable starter at that age, never mind a Super Bowl winner and MVP.

 

[bresna]

You would think that was the case given Stidham was the starter till Cam happened late.

But the fact they let him be a free agent the prior year, did not even contact him during free agency till he had his Tampa contract and all that PR about Brady earned right to make his decision tells me they did not want Brady back. So stupid given that Stidham was up next.

This is so wrong... Brady negotiated that last contract and he insisted that it terminated at season's end without any ability to tag him guaranteeing him free agency. It also resulted in a $25 Million dead cap hit, which also meant that if the Pats wanted to re-sign him for $25 Million, they would still be on the hook for $50 Million, which would have prevented them from signing many of free agents they got that year.

Brady wanted to leave and made it financially impossible for the Patriots to stop him. When he also added that they couldn't tag him, it is obvious that he wanted this.

 

[Real fan 02]

@Real fan 02 is Josh in the building??

Brother. I believe he is. Reports are Bill would like him back. If he's back then what about BOB?

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't go silent. I clearly pointed out how you misread Kraft's quote in 2013. Kraft was talking how he didn't backload Brady's contract with forcing him to have to cut or trade him. He didn't say he wouldn't pay Brady top dollar.

First it proves Kraft handled the Brady contract negotiations and secure he literally said he won’t have a team that pays the qb top dollar because they can’t be competitive.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok, I misread your statement on appearances in the Super Bowl. My bad.

But again, Belichick didn't need to let Brady go in 2017. Garoppolo was under contract for cheap money. He didn't have to make a decision this early.

And again, Brady was 41 in 2018. The odds were against him to be even a serviceable starter at that age, never mind a Super Bowl winner and MVP.

Of course he had to because in your bizarro world he wants to keep jimmy g instead and jimmy g has an expiring contract.

 

[PatsFan2]

Brother. I believe he is. Reports are Bill would like him back. If he's back then what about BOB?

BB love his stooges but I have to admit Josh is his best Stooge he made our Offense look competent. One thing is certain Josh is a good Offensive mind who will never get another shot at another HCing gig he's here forever.

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't go silent. I clearly pointed out how you misread Kraft's quote in 2013. Kraft was talking how he didn't backload Brady's contract with forcing him to have to cut or trade him. He didn't say he wouldn't pay Brady top dollar.

Literally word for word

"I was just trying to stay ahead of the curve. If we were going to have to pay him elite-quarterback money and have elite-quarterback cap numbers, I just didn't think we would be able to build a team. We don't want to have a team where we're paying 18 to 20 percent to a player on the cap.

 

[Rob0729]

First it proves Kraft handled the Brady contract negotiations and secure he literally said he won’t have a team that pays the qb top dollar because they can’t be competitive.

I doesn't prove that Kraft handles Brady's contract negotiations. He was talking about negotiations as an organization and not himself.

And he talk about backloaded contracts where the final years of the deal eat up a lot cap space. King was talking about how the final years of Brady extension would be consider what would be below market value by that point. That is what he was talking about. You misunderstood what he was talking about.

 

[Ring 6]

I doesn't prove that Kraft handles Brady's contract negotiations. He was talking about negotiations as an organization and not himself.

And he talk about backloaded contracts where the final years of the deal eat up a lot cap space. King was talking about how the final years of Brady extension would be consider what would be below market value by that point. That is what he was talking about. You misunderstood what he was talking about.

He literally said HE NEGOTIATED THE CONTRACT and HE WOULDNT PAY HIM ELITE QB MONEY.
Your argument has been disproven by the man’s own words.

 

[Rob0729]

Literally word for word

"I was just trying to stay ahead of the curve. If we were going to have to pay him elite-quarterback money and have elite-quarterback cap numbers, I just didn't think we would be able to build a team. We don't want to have a team where we're paying 18 to 20 percent to a player on the cap.

Yawn, yes I get how you cherry picked one line to totally misunderstand what he was saying. From the article you posted.

Interstingly, Kraft told King that he does not expect to revisit the deal in two years when the below market portion of the contract will kick in with Brady due just $7 million in salary in 2015.

"No, no, no," Kraft told King. "This is a real deal. Look at our track record. We don't do fake deals. The contract we have with Tom Brady is a real contract we will both live by."

What Kraft was saying is that he didn't backload the contract with a lot of funny money that would force the Patriots to either renegotiate with Brady or cut or trade him. That was what Kraft was saying.