Mayo will be the new HC

[Ross12]

To be fair no coach addresses the problem. Our coaching was fine.

It’s the roster building and drafting that have been lacking.

I do hope they at least look at other options. Seems a mistake to put all our eggs in one basket when you got vrabel, harbaugh etc. out there.

Fair points, the coaching at a high level has been good but execution has been poor on offense and ST. A Mayo hire plus some extra help on the staff on offense and letting the OC have much more control on that side of the operation probably goes a long way towards resolving those issues. The big problem is getting the roster fixed, which is what we should all be focused on.

 

[Love The Drake]

It’s stupid. Mayo could very well be the best candidate but they need to be interviewing multiple candidates both inside and outside the building to be sure instead of handing the keys to Mayo and skipping the process all together.

This is all I’m saying interview different systems, coaching trees. This seems incredibly hard headed lazy close minded short sighted. Go thru the process and if Mayo is still the guy great.
You may find someone you never seriously considered is the best candidate.

 

[Aussie Patriot]

If Mayo were hired by another team as HC we would get a draft pick (3rd I think) for developing him. It seems like we should get one for hiring him ourselves. Anyone know that rule?

I don't know the rule but if you are hiring someone you aren't losing the development you put into them, you are actually benefitting from it so it wouldn't qualify.

 

[Ring 6]

This is unbelievably blind or intentionally dense.

Who becomes a HC? Coo-ordinators and position coaches right? Most of those (overwhelmingly) are former players. Black players are the majority of football players (especially NFL) or at least a very large portion. So Black players make up a large portion of the original talent pool (players) for coaches and yet somehow they never made it to be coaches for some mysterious reason?

Let me guess, you also think Black QBs were not a thing till last 20 years or so because Black players just learned to play QB 20 years ago?

Please.

A very small percentage of nfl players become coaches.
Playing and coaching are 2 different things.
Many women have gone into coaching.

It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact, the racial makeup of nfl coaches at all levels is remarkably similar to the racial makeup of all football coaches at all levels.
At least it was a few years ago when the Flores stuff was happening. I doubt it’s changed much.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't know the rule but if you are hiring someone you aren't losing the development you put into them, you are actually benefitting from it so it wouldn't qualify.

That does make sense.

 

[RIpats88]

Fair points, the coaching at a high level has been good but execution has been poor on offense and ST. A Mayo hire plus some extra help on the staff on offense and letting the OC have much more control on that side of the operation probably goes a long way towards resolving those issues. The big problem is getting the roster fixed, which is what we should all be focused on.

That’s what I mean. I’m more worried about how we improve the roster talent.

Although it still is odd to me if they just promise the job to mayo without even interviewing other coaches

 

[ahmed]

A very small percentage of nfl players become coaches.
Playing and coaching are 2 different things.
Many women have gone into coaching.

It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact, the racial makeup of nfl coaches at all levels is remarkably similar to the racial makeup of all football coaches at all levels.
At least it was a few years ago when the Flores stuff was happening. I doubt it’s changed much.

The overwhelming majority of coaches either played NFL or college ball (83% of white coaches and 92% of minorities).

55%+ of players in college and 70%+ in MFL are minorities.

Yet minority head coaches are less than 20% and position coaches 30%. That is after 20 years of Rooney rule. Imagine how bad it was before - probably single digits.

 

[Ring 6]

The overwhelming majority of coaches either played NFL or college ball (83% of white coaches and 92% of minorities).

55%+ of players in college and 70%+ in MFL are minorities.

Yet minority head coaches are less than 20% and position coaches 30%. That is after 20 years of Rooney rule. Imagine how bad it was before - probably single digits.

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Can you link your source?

 

[Ring 6]

The overwhelming majority of coaches either played NFL or college ball (83% of white coaches and 92% of minorities).

55%+ of players in college and 70%+ in MFL are minorities.

Yet minority head coaches are less than 20% and position coaches 30%. That is after 20 years of Rooney rule. Imagine how bad it was before - probably single digits.

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Here is what I am referring to

• The average football coach age is 35 years old.
• The most common ethnicity of football coaches is White (66.9%), followed by Hispanic or Latino (13.0%), Black or African American (8.7%) and Unknown (5.7%).

Football Coach Demographics and Statistics [2024]: Number Of Football Coachs In The US

How many Football Coachs are in US? More than 32,528. Learn more about 2024 demographics based on factors such as age, race, sex, salary and location.

www.zippia.com

 

[ahmed]

Can you link your source?

Field Studies: A 10-Season Snapshot of NFL Coaching - Global Sport Matters

The push for greater representation of coaches of color within the NFL has been well documented, especially since adoption of the Rooney Rule in 2003. The Global Sport Lab, with the help of the Paul Robeson Center at the University of Central Florida, sought to answer this question.

globalsportmatters.com

In terms of player %, not sure if in this report or not (probably but did not read it all) but very easy to Google which is what I did. It's also very easy to watch an NFL or college game and eyeball the %.

 

[slash83]

Im
Good with Mayo, players believe in him and the defense no matter what kept fighting for this man. He has the potential to be an excellent leader, now Bob needs to put a team around him.

 

[SVN]

Mayo was currans source

Inside the Belichick-Kraft breakup: Beyond the losses, there were little moments that signaled the end was near

Kraft and Belichick teamed up to win six Super Bowls over 24 seasons. Here's how their professional relationship ran its course.

www.espn.com

As a result, the latitude Kraft afforded Belichick has slowly eroded since Brady's departure, with one notable example coming last offseason when the team announced that top defensive assistant Jerod Mayo was negotiating a contract to remain with the franchise long term.

Multiple sources familiar with Belichick's thinking relayed that he was uneasy with Kraft empowering Mayo that way -- positioning him as the heir apparent and creating a dynamic that potentially undercut Belichick's authority and team culture.

Team sources described the relationship between Belichick and Mayo -- a 2008 first-round pick of the franchise, whom Belichick had recruited to the coaching staff in 2019 -- as more distant this season than it had previously been.

 

[Love The Drake]

We need a real offensive Guru maybe it’s Obrein but I’d prefer Mcdaniels to come back.
Or get a fresh offensive philosophy.

Bienemy maybe?
Kafka?

 

[Love The Drake]

Mayo was currans source

Inside the Belichick-Kraft breakup: Beyond the losses, there were little moments that signaled the end was near

Kraft and Belichick teamed up to win six Super Bowls over 24 seasons. Here's how their professional relationship ran its course.

www.espn.com

This makes Mayo kind of a snake.

 

[Ring 6]

Field Studies: A 10-Season Snapshot of NFL Coaching - Global Sport Matters

The push for greater representation of coaches of color within the NFL has been well documented, especially since adoption of the Rooney Rule in 2003. The Global Sport Lab, with the help of the Paul Robeson Center at the University of Central Florida, sought to answer this question.

globalsportmatters.com

In terms of player %, not sure if in this report or not (probably but did not read it all) but very easy to Google which is what I did. It's also very easy to watch an NFL or college game and eyeball the %.

The player pool and the coaching pool are not the same people.
Not every player chooses a career as a coach.
67% of career football coaches are white, 8.7% black. That is lower than the black % of the population.
If fewer black people choose careers as coaches, of course fewer will be coaches.

Arguably the earlier a person stops playing and starts coaching g the further ahead they should be compared to players who kept playing. If you start coaching at 22 and I play til 32 then start coaching I am pretty far behind.

 

[TommyD4207]

We need a real offensive Guru maybe it’s Obrein but I’d prefer Mcdaniels to come back.
Or get a fresh offensive philosophy.

Bienemy maybe?
Kafka?

Bienemy will never come here as long as Bob Kraft is alive.
McDaniels will join Belichick in Atlanta.
Whether O'Brien stays or not will be up to Jerod Mayo, unless he just quits - there are some good college jobs opening up.
Kafka, sure, why not, I guess. No worse than any other retread-of-the-month.

 

[VrabelJr]

Another thought: Does Mayo being the source of the leaks to speed up BB's dismissal so that he can get the job make anyone think about Mayo a bit differently? If that's true then he backstabbed the guy who drafted him and groomed him. How does that fare for future personnel decisions or players and other coaches trusting him?

 

[ahmed]

Here is what I am referring to

• The average football coach age is 35 years old.
• The most common ethnicity of football coaches is White (66.9%), followed by Hispanic or Latino (13.0%), Black or African American (8.7%) and Unknown (5.7%).

Football Coach Demographics and Statistics [2024]: Number Of Football Coachs In The US

How many Football Coachs are in US? More than 32,528. Learn more about 2024 demographics based on factors such as age, race, sex, salary and location.

www.zippia.com

Yes I

The player pool and the coaching pool are not the same people.
Not every player chooses a career as a coach.
67% of career football coaches are white, 8.7% black. That is lower than the black % of the population.
If fewer black people choose careers as coaches, of course fewer will be coaches.

Arguably the earlier a person stops playing and starts coaching g the further ahead they should be compared to players who kept playing. If you start coaching at 22 and I play til 32 then start coaching I am pretty far behind.

There are more White coaches because more of them get hired at a higher rate. The stats show that 80-90% of coaches are former NFL and college players. Majority of college and NFL players are minorities and yet they are minority in coaching.

When you take into account that disparity it basically means a White former player is several times more likely to get hired to be a coach than a former Black player.

The general population % don't mean anything because coaches overwhelmingly do not come from the general population. They come from former college and NFL ball players.

 

[Ross12]

Another thought: Does Mayo being the source of the leaks to speed up BB's dismissal so that he can get the job make anyone think about Mayo a bit differently? If that's true then he backstabbed the guy who drafted him and groomed him. How does that fare for future personnel decisions or players and other coaches trusting him?

I’m not convinced the source isn’t still just Joe Judge.

 

[Love The Drake]

Another thought: Does Mayo being the source of the leaks to speed up BB's dismissal so that he can get the job make anyone think about Mayo a bit differently? If that's true then he backstabbed the guy who drafted him and groomed him. How does that fare for future personnel decisions or players and other coaches trusting him?

Yes I’m struggling with it.