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Right. But he can leave unless the Patriots agree to it. Officially he can't even talk to anyone unless the Patriots agree to it. So his hand isn't as strong as you say it is. The Patriots have some say in the matter.Bottom line is you can’t trade him unless he agrees to it.
BZZZZZZZZZT. Sorry, they can't talk to Bill without New England's permission. Try again.Why would the Chargers give a 1st or 2nd?
If they want Bill and he agrees they either:
This whole scenario is based on Kraft wanting to get rid of Bill.BZZZZZZZZZT. Sorry, they can't talk to Bill without New England's permission. Try again.
PLEASE NOTE: I am assuming for the sake of argument that the reports regarding Bill's contract are accurate. If instead this is the final year of his contract then obviously Bill can do whatever he wants after the season.
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Right. But he can leave unless the Patriots agree to it. Officially he can't even talk to anyone unless the Patriots agree to it. So his hand isn't as strong as you say it is. The Patriots have some say in the matter.
They can back channel all they want but nobody is going to talk turkey without NE's permission.This whole scenario is based on Kraft wanting to get rid of Bill.
But, if you don’t think Bill or interested teams won’t be back channeling before his official release you’re being naive.
Parcells didn’t have the worst 3 years of his head coaching career though I will say.They can back channel all they want but nobody is going to talk turkey without NE's permission.
But even if Kraft wants to get rid of Bill, that doesn't mean Bill "holds all the cards". 26 years ago everyone knew the Patriots were getting rid of Parcells, but they still negotiated a first rounder for him.
Completely different scenario. Parcells wanted out and was negotiating with the Jets before he left.They can back channel all they want but nobody is going to talk turkey without NE's permission.
But even if Kraft wants to get rid of Bill, that doesn't mean Bill "holds all the cards". 26 years ago everyone knew the Patriots were getting rid of Parcells, but they still negotiated a first rounder for him.
Wait a second…. You said:Completely different scenario. Parcells wanted out and was negotiating with the Jets before he left.
It’s simple:Wait a second…. You said:
“if you don’t think Bill or interested teams won’t be back channeling before his official release you’re being naive.”
So, by your own words, Belichick will be negotiating with other teams. In fact, you called it naive to believe Belichick wouldn’t be negotiating with other teams.
So please tell us all how this is a “completely different scenario”.
Your leverage equation is missing a couple of variables - Bill’s desire (72 year olds chasing a wins record can’t afford a year off) to coach somewhere next season and, with Bill’s replacement(s) probably already in house (Mayo, Wolf?), time would be on the Patriots’ side in this situation.It’s simple:
A) Parcells wanted out, not Kraft wanting him gone
B) Belichick not wanting out, but Kraft wanting to let him go
In A Kraft holds the cards as he has Parcells under contract and can demand the high pick to let him out of it
In B Kraft wants Bill gone. Bill holds the cards as Kraft will either have to fire him and owe him the rest of his contract or if he wants compensation if Bill ends up at another team he has to hold onto Bill and not implement his new GM/Coach until a deal is done which will hurt the Pats if it drags on.
Completely different scenarios
I hear you, but even if it’s Mayo we are still likely looking outside the organization for GM/scouting which needs to be in place ASAP after the season to prepare for the draft.Your leverage equation is missing a couple of variables - Bill’s desire (72 year olds chasing a wins record can’t afford a year off) to coach somewhere next season and, with Bill’s replacement(s) probably already in house (Mayo, Wolf?), time would be on the Patriots’ side in this situation.
They could just hold off relieving Belichick of his duties until the team interested in hiring Belichick has to decide to move on to their backup candidate or give up what it takes to get Belichick. This is really what happened to Kraft in 2000. He had to move on Belichick or hire Dom Capers before someone else did.
Also, swallowing Belichick‘a 2024 salary isn’t the impediment you think it is. It’s a sunk expense as the Krafts have to pay it whether Bill coaches the Pats or not in 2024. The real cost to the Pats would be the modest first time GM and HC salaries they’d have to pay Bill’s replacement(s) if they fired Bill.
I don’t expect the Pats to reap a huge windfall of compensation either. But, it’s not because Bill is holding all the cards as you seem to believe but because the interest might not be there. But, if some team wants him, the Patriots hold the advantage of time which will bring them some compensation I believe.
If he leaves, then, according to most NFL coaching contracts, (A) he doesn't get paid, and (B) the Patriots still own his rights to coach in the NFL.Right. But he can leave unless the Patriots agree to it. Officially he can't even talk to anyone unless the Patriots agree to it. So his hand isn't as strong as you say it is. The Patriots have some say in the matter.
And, as a reminder, the Patriots got a first-round pick and more when Parcells left.Completely different scenario. Parcells wanted out and was negotiating with the Jets before he left.
Exactly what I meant. Kraft held the cards when that went down.And, as a reminder, the Patriots got a first-round pick and more when Parcells left.
No. Just no. First of all, we don't have the first clue what Kraft wants or what Bill wants or what Bill's contract says. That aside, the scenarios are very similar in that in each case, everyone believed that the coach had reached the end of the road in New England. You yourself admitted that there will be "back channeling" going on. That implies Bill wants to leave. Why would he "back channel" if he wanted to stay?It’s simple:
A) Parcells wanted out, not Kraft wanting him gone
B) Belichick not wanting out, but Kraft wanting to let him go
In A Kraft holds the cards as he has Parcells under contract and can demand the high pick to let him out of it
In B Kraft wants Bill gone. Bill holds the cards as Kraft will either have to fire him and owe him the rest of his contract or if he wants compensation if Bill ends up at another team he has to hold onto Bill and not implement his new GM/Coach until a deal is done which will hurt the Pats if it drags on.
Completely different scenarios
I made a typo. I meant to say "he can't leave unless the Patriots agree to it."If he leaves, then, according to most NFL coaching contracts, (A) he doesn't get paid, and (B) the Patriots still own his rights to coach in the NFL.
This whole scenario is based on Kraft wanting to move on from Bill. There has been 0 reports that Bill wants to leave.No. Just no. First of all, we don't have the first clue what Kraft wants or what Bill wants or what Bill's contract says. That aside, the scenarios are very similar in that in each case, everyone believed that the coach had reached the end of the road in New England. You yourself admitted that there will be "back channeling" going on. That implies Bill wants to leave. Why would he "back channel" if he wanted to stay?
I made a typo. I meant to say "he can't leave unless the Patriots agree to it."
Yes, because Belichick is so open with the media, and makes sure they are always kept fully apprised of his inner thinking and motivation.This whole scenario is based on Kraft wanting to move on from Bill. There has been 0 reports that Bill wants to leave.