PostGame Thread 2023 Week 8: Patriots fall 31-17 to the Dolphins

[Rob0729]

Unlcle Rob we NEED any QB not named Mac Jones.

Have a nice day.

 

[1960Pats]

We likely never will know for sure, but I suspect Patricia/Judge was his Plan C or D after much better options fell through.

My guess is that it was a cost-cutting decision. Bob and Bill didn't have to pay them anything and that Judge is still here for the same reason.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

161 passing yards against that defense is just pathetic

 

[lancerman]

Unlcle Rob we NEED any QB not named Mac Jones.

There's a million things wrong with this team and every discussion gets hijacked by you and two other people so you can whine about the same guy. It's not interesting and it ignores all the actual insightful football talk and analysis that could be had because we get lowest common denominator points from the same people

 

[1960Pats]

What this always neglects though is that they've spent 20 years with each other.

The only one that compares to this is Shula's 16 years with Marino. But they didn't win a single SB in that time. I consider Marino one of the 3 greatest QBs.

All the other top coaches we're talking about actually had a chance to try coaching other QBs during their prime. Chuck Noll for instance. Even Shula had many QBs before Marino.

To say he was only successful with Brady is to ignore the 20 years they spent together. If Brady had a 12 year career and Belichick did nothing for another 8 years, it would make more sense.

In Cleveland, they made the playoffs and even beat Parcells and the Patriots, before the owner pulled the rug out from under the team.

Please stop with the revisionist history. Without Brady Bill has 8 losing seasons out of ten and half of those came here.

 

[lancerman]

161 passing yards against that defense is just pathetic

I think it's pathetic that our defense gave up 402 yards and 4 TD's and let them convert all 3 of their 4th down attempts, gave up 24 first downs and were getting burned by Hill all day, but nobody likes to talk about that. Oh and weren't able to take advantage of the Dolphins banged up offensive line to get more pressures and sacks

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I think it's pathetic that our defense gave up 402 yards and 4 TD's and let them convert all 3 of their 4th down attempts, gave up 24 first downs and were getting burned by Hill all day, but nobody likes to talk about that. Oh and weren't able to take advantage of the Dolphins banged up offensive line to get more pressures and sacks

we can discuss this too but this does not change that mac played pathetic again

Look at the 3th down in the third quarter in the phins RZ where mac took a sack which lead then to fourth down and field goal
Look at the replay and you see Mac had two wide open receivers.
Parker was open for an easy first down and one WR was open in the EZ for an easy TD

 

[lancerman]

we can discuss this too but this does not change that mac played pathetic again

Look at the 3th down in the third quarter in the phins RZ where mac took a sack which lead then to fourth down and field goal
Look at the replay and you see Mac had two wide open receivers.
Parker was open for an easy first down and one WR was open in the EZ for an easy TD

Why did he take a sack? There's an easy answer.

 

[Tunescribe]

Why did he take a sack? There's an easy answer.

Check your PM.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Why did he take a sack? There's an easy answer.

please enlighten us why he did not throw for a first down or a TD

 

[PATS16N0]

It’s bad enough Mac sucks, but we also have to watch his boring ass play and then have boring ass conversations about him all week.

He’s the punishment that just keeps getting delivered.

 

[Love The Drake]

It’s bad enough Mac sucks, but we also have to watch his boring ass play and then have boring ass conversations about him all week.

He’s the punishment that just keeps getting delivered.

It’s the Brady curse.
We basically kicked him to the curb.
Remember Brady Senior said that this will end bad.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Brown did him no favors yesterday. Makes you wonder.
I think the team needs to consider drafting a left tackle with their top 10 or hopefully top 5 pick.

 

[Mack Herron]

That thud we felt was hitting rock bottom in the AFC.

 

[Thelonious]

There's a million things wrong with this team and every discussion gets hijacked by you and two other people so you can whine about the same guy. It's not interesting and it ignores all the actual insightful football talk and analysis that could be had because we get lowest common denominator points from the same people

Yep. I'm getting tired of posting rejoinders to this nonsense. Mac may or may not be worth keeping long term. He probably isn't, but we do not clearly know because of the fireably lousy job our HC/GM has done handling him. The roster is weak in virtually every area, so bad that it hardly matters at this point - and likely for yet another year beyond that tbh - who the QB is. I could go on for three inches of post why a focus on Mac is asinine at this point. I won't. I'm tired of typing all that ****.

We should keep Mac one more year, strengthen the roster in other areas, take on competition for Mac, in whatever round makes sense given our other options, then do our debvelopment/evaluation of Mac and everybody else with an eye to achieving some degree of competitiveness the year following.

The simplistic Ditch the QB thing is a waste of time. It's a lazy, delusory distraction for those who can't deal with the far deeper and broader problems than the shortcomings of a single draftee's development.

A Ditch the GM/HC discussion would make far more sense, frankly..

 

[lancerman]

please enlighten us why he did not throw for a first down or a TD

You don't think the line breaking down like it did all day contributed to the sack?

 

[upstater1]

Please stop with the revisionist history. Without Brady Bill has 8 losing seasons out of ten and half of those came here.

You never liked the guy.
Which is incredibly insane because every other fan of football would've killed to have this guy.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

You don't think the line breaking down like it did all day contributed to the sack?

he had enough time to make these throws, watch the replay, he had easily enough time to hit parker for a first down.

 

[lancerman]

Yep. I'm getting tired of posting rejoinders to this nonsense. Mac may or may not be worth keeping long term. He probably isn't, but we do not clearly know because of the fireably lousy job our HC/GM has done handling him. The roster is weak in virtually every area, so bad that it hardly matters at this point - and likely for yet another year beyond that tbh - who the QB is. I could go on for three inches of post why a focus on Mac is asinine at this point. I won't. I'm tired of typing all that ****.

We should keep Mac one more year, strengthen the roster in other areas, take on competition for Mac, in whatever round makes sense given our other options, then do our debvelopment/evaluation of Mac and everybody else with an eye to achieving some degree of competitiveness the year following.

The simplistic Ditch the QB thing is a waste of time. It's a lazy, delusory distraction for those who can't deal with the far deeper and broader problems than the shortcomings of a single draftee's development.

A Ditch the GM/HC discussion would make far more sense, frankly..

The big issue is that we can't even discuss all the facets of what's going on with this team because some people are hellbent on ignoring them so they can blame everything on one guy. The line is demonstrably one of the worst units in the NFL. We can't talk about that because someone will just say "well if someone besides Mac was there, it would magically look good". The running backs legitimately don't get production. The same people will ignore that and say "well that's because they don't respect Mac". Mac isn't the reason guys are getting through on a double team block. Mac isn't the reason Stevenson has looked like crap this year. You can look at the receivers and their low seperation rate. We can't talk about that though because the one or two times they do get seperation, Mac might miss them or be getting pressured. People will pick on the one or two plays they perceive Mac ****ed up, but they'll use that to ignore the receivers dropping balls they shouldn't or not getting open or the line collapsing immediately. Mac in the same game has gotten criticized when they line collapsed for both trying to make a throw and also taking a sack on different plays. Like that's just nonsense.

He's not a good QB right now, but this offense is not good on any level and replacing Mac isn't making this an acceptable NFL offense. Tua had problems in this game to and showed a lot of the same tendencies as Mac. He just had weapons that would make something out of nothing for him.

And all of that doesn't absolve the defense of their horrible efforts yesterday. They legitimately got burned on key plays all day, could not get a 4th down stop, and were generally getting pantsed.

And the special teams is a bad unit as well and nobody ever wants to discuss that.

 

[lancerman]

That thud we felt was hitting rock bottom in the AFC.

I mean in total they are the worst team in the AFC so this isn't surprising. It sucks but they have an offense with a QB who inconsistant and gets the yips, the worst lines in the league, receivers who have horrible seperation rates, unproductive running backs, a defense that is riddled with injuries and is very below average in terms of any stats you can really think of, and a special teams that is near the bottom of the league (last I checked they were bottom of the league). On top of that they have horrible discipline on both sides of the ball and constantly make mistakes and get penalties.

That is going to more often than not equal a bad team that is at the bottom of the league.

And the main problem is the guy who built it