But It's Not Mac's Fault....

[sb1]

I see some are still smoking the Zappe pipe. lol. lol.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

31 teams had a shot to take Zappe (and Cunningham for that matter) and they all passed. And there are some QB hungry teams out there.

31 teams had a shot to take Brady (and Zappe for that matter) and they all passed. And there are some QB hungry teams out there.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I see some are still smoking the Zappe pipe. lol. lol.

Will repost this after Bailey leads whatever team he's on to its second Super Bowl.

(anyone can say one is just a fluke)

 

[Kdo5]

I think Mac is potentially an above average QB in the right environment, surrounded with the right people. But he has been terrible here. He had time in the pocket this week, he had open receivers. He still sucked.

 

[lancerman]

Not only did I say "the offensive line was the single biggest problem on this team through the first two weeks," after the Miami loss, but I was on here arguing that Mac hadn't played that badly the first two weeks, and warning Mac haters if his offensive line and weapons got healthy he might make them all look silly.

Well his O-Line got healthy in week three, and Mac made me look silly... because he totally faded after that game.

Against a top five Jet's defense the Pats ran the ball for 157 yards, gave up zero sacks and not too many pressures... Mac was still average. Video evidence showed time to pass, receivers open to make plays and poor decision making and throws by Mac. The next game he had a total meltdown of Chernobyl sized proportions... it wasn't his blocking or weapons, it was Mac.

I'm not the one who has been dogmatic, unable to admit I was wrong, open to new ideas... it was you people who lost the plot after the line got healthy in week three and improved.

Go back to before the 2021 draft... I was a Mac guy, I said he was accurate and had some tools to work with. I was wrong.

I've never had a problem admitting when I was wrong, you... not so much.

You were a Mac guy because you are a homer and just wanted to believe Bill made the right choice. I didn’t want Mac to begin with. Now that the team is worse than ever, you want a scapegoat to blame for everything. You can say how you cried about the line the first two weeks. But the last month and half you’ve been ranting about how the line is secretly really good and Mac is just making everyone look bad. You also have insinuated there is nothing wrong with the WR corp.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

You've literally had to change your name from ZBellino, to Crawhammer to Keyser Size because of all the silly things you've said in the past... sounds legit.

Mac is really good, I'm wrong. Sound accurate?

you think Keyser Söze is Crawhammer? Interesting

 

[lancerman]

Brady was dealing with two separate injuries in 2019, he was playing hurt. We found out after the season ended, but he wasn't playing well down the stretch.

False, Tua got better each season and got better before Tyreek arrived in 2022.

False, Allen got better each season and got better before Diggs arrived in 2020
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They added Christian Kirk, good slot receiver, Zay Jones panned as a first round bust in Washington... who were the super weapons they added. Lawrence got better because that's what good QB prospects do. They improve from their rookie season. Here's Jalen Hurts, they didn't add AJ Brown until 2020, notice how he got better each season.

Where is Mac's improvement year to year, when has he leveled up?

We blamed Patricia in year two but it didn't stop Zappe from putting up numbers. Mac has gotten worse as other teams have figured him out. He has the best weapons he's had, better than 2021 when he was a promising rookie. He has gotten worse in a year he should be taking a big step forward. Yeah better weapons help, Mac's weapons weren't amazing but they were still good. His line has played better since week two. He has nose dived or played the same average/good level of play he has since his rookie year.

"Good for a rookie" isn't good enough for a player in year three.

Tua’s passer went up a whopping 3 points from year one to two. Then he got Hill and it went into the 100’s. Way to disprove my point.

Josh Allen likewise had two mediocre passer ratings then skyrocketed past 100 once he got Diggs. Again way to disprove my point.

You are just showing that two guys made tiny improvements from year one to year two but still were largely in the bad category. Then their careers got saved and they became viewed as elite.

This is also you once again rushing to whatever is the most convenient stat (even when the stats say they were both mediocre as **** until the WR came in) to make a feeble attempt at a point. Here’s a fact…. Tua was viewed as a leaguewide bust and running joke. The dolphins had to fire their coach because he didn’t want Tua and they needed to get someone who actually was committed to surrounding him with talent. Josh Allen was going into a year that was described by Buffalo media as a year where he had to make an improvement now that they had Diggs or they weren’t taking his 5th year option and they were likely going to move on.


It’s kinda hilarious you even brought up Tua. If you compare stat lines he was almost the exact same QB year one and year two. Every touchdown he added, was also complimented by an added interception. He didn’t improve. He played a few more games so he had 100 extra passed from the year before and the variance and higher sample size got him a 3% higher completion percentage and a 3 point higher rating because his TD:INT ratio remained the same. You are also ignoring things like the Bills bringing in Cole Beasley and amping up their line in the off season. Like it isn’t shocking when the Patriots over the last 3 years let Meyers go had rotation on the line and lost guys like Karras didn’t see a 3 point improvement year to year lol.

Again bottom line, both these guys were awful and fighting for their jobs and the teams outright made massive WR acquisitions to help them become high caliber players. The Patriots lost talent around the QB year over year and you saw the QB go from starting higher statistically than where all of them started, to incrementally getting worse. It’s not rocket science. The talent around the QB matters.

You’re also making false standards. You said the receivers aren’t amazing but still good. That’s a homer take. There is no metric that has our receivers as anything but bottom tier. If you go by box stats our best WR this year wasn’t even cracking the top 30 in yards or receptions. If you go by analysis on separation the receivers are at the bottom of league. Our line is objectively a bottom tier unit and has been all year. They didn’t get magically better after week 2. They sucked most of the year and had one or two solid games. You’re not being objective whatsoever. You literally said a week or so ago this offensive line unit would all of a sudden look great if you put an average QB there.

 

[lancerman]

@Wozzy I'm surprised you are blaming Mac at all though. Usually you always defend QBs no matter what and put responsibility on everyone else. In fact I could have sworn you were defending Mac.

Because Wozzy can’t bring himself to admit this team is pretty awful and Bill completely failed in building a competitive team in year 4 post Brady. So he has to rationalize it by suggesting that Mac is uniquely bad and holding everyone else back because it’s the convenient take if you are unable to admit there are serious issues with the team. It’s better to blame one guy for dragging Bill and this collection of spare parts down because then you can rationalize it as one mistake that you can quickly replace instead of dozens of systemic mistakes that there is no easy way out of.

A homer is always going to revert to whatever the path of least resistance is to defend the team.

 

[Rob0729]

I have given up on Mac being successful here because he is broken. I think might be able to be a good QB in the right situation, but I am too worried about his mental make up to trust him to be the Patriots’ QB long term even if he was to turn things around.

That said he gets too much blame for the failures. For example, he gets blamed for overthrowing Thornton on that fourth down, but if you watch the film, it looks like Thornton ran the wrong route. Was Thornton supposed to run a crossing route or an out route on that play because he ran both? It seems pretty clear that Thornton was supposed to run a go route or an out route but he cuts inside and runs to the center of the field before cuts outside. And it was a lazy cut to boot. My guess is Mac was throwing to a spot and Thornton was late to get there because of his route, but Mac got blamed for over throwing him.



A lot of Mac failures are on himself and others are the fact he has crap to work with. But people are quick to blame everything on him. Mac isn’t playing well at all, but a lot of the players around him are playing much worse.

 

[Triumph]

you think Keyser Söze is Crawhammer? Interesting

Craw was not that stupid.

 

[RIpats88]

People actually believe this is a good roster just waiting to break out with the right Quarterback?

Anything to deflect from Bill I guess

And FYI saying the roster sucks doesn't mean Mac is good

 

[Rob0729]

People actually believe this is a good roster just waiting to break out with the right Quarterback?

Anything to deflect from Bill I guess

And FYI saying the roster sucks doesn't mean Mac is good

Brady would struggle with this roster. It would be worse than 2019. He would do far better than Mac, but it would likely end up being his worst (or one of the worst) year of his career.

 

[archstanton543]

@archstanton543 care to explain what you find disagreeable with this post???

He's a starting QB in this league. He's starting for a team right now. When he goes to a team with real WR's and O-line and/or continuity at O Coordinator, hell have success. Maybe not Super Bowl winning success but success. He'll be a starter in this league somewhere else when his time is up here.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I can't believe anyone could twist themselves into a pretzel to blame Rham for running a perfect route and having the stop and come back for the ball... but here you are.

Mac should have let the ball go earlier and faster than he did, the pass rushers were inconsequential if he makes the right decision. Good grief...

for someone who posts so much, you don't have much clue as to what you're seeing

 

[yukon cornelius]

and I'll agree with others......Mac isn't the problem, but he isn't helping himself a ton right now.....had he been put into a better situation, he'd have been just fine.....he's gripping right now, trying to make every play, trying to be perfect.....rather than letting it flow....and the results are predictable

pre-draft I wasn't a huge Mac guy......i rather liked the notion of Mills in the 2nd......but he grew on me because of the intangibles...good kid works hard, smart, cares, leader......and it is those same intangibles that are killing him right now......he reads the articles, he sees what's being said.....he cares, he wants it to happen despite all the issues this team has, and he's pushing too hard - the exact opposite of what an athlete needs to do to succeed; so yeah, the talent around him is mid, and he's trying too hard to overcome it

not sure he can make it happen here after all he's been through.....but it's not all, or even mostly, on him

 

[sb1]

We blamed Patricia in year two but it didn't stop Zappe from putting up numbers.

When Zappe is flipping burgers this time next year at least he’ll have that.

 

[sb1]

Will repost this after Bailey leads whatever team he's on to its second Super Bowl.

(anyone can say one is just a fluke)

I wouldn’t count on it.

 

[State]

Buttressing Wozzy’s point is Jonnu Smith. Productive now in Atlanta when he couldn’t get much going in New England. A lot of that falls on Mac Jones, who is such an unpleasant player to watch.

He’s weak armed. Can’t do much about that. But his mechanics, esp throwing off his back foot, have regressed mightily.

I listen to the games now. Bob Socci and Scott Zolak. I just can’t watch our dumpster fire at QB.

If you remember when Nac was at Alabama, that offense DOMINATED. First-rounders on OL, wideouts, and RB.

Turns out he needs that in order to be an effective game manager—his ceiling.

But Belichick is first and foremost a defensive minded coach. He prefers his draft resources to be tilted toward the defensive side.

And Wozzy is again right. The OL did well. Washington had little pass rushing talent after trading their top two guys.

If we had gone more to the running game, perhaps the passing game would have opened up.

But like that overthrown pass to a wide open SkinnyT, Mac Jones should no longer have a future with this team.

He and us need a change of scenery.

 

[Thelonious]

Feel sorry for a guy who got a full-ride scholarship to the best football program in the nation and millions of dollars to play football (badly)? Not me. Those are the stakes when you try to become a big-time athlete, and once he's out of the league in a year or so (after some dumb teams try to make him a reclamation project) he's got a foundation from which his future is secure. That's great and I'm happy for him to achieve that despite his inability to be an NFL QB. That inability is shared by 99.9999% of the population, but we don't get the millions or adulation or other benefits that accrue to those who try. So he's good, hopefully he didn't get enough concussions for there to be CTE, but I got several and didn't make a dime playing sports when I was young. No regrets and don't feel sorry for me either.

So you're jealous, verging on vindictive, because the guy has been more successful athletically and financially than you. My view is those who are successful are as entitled to be treated fairly as anybody else, not to mention that properly supporting Mac was Belichick's job.. We live in an age where the response to others' success is resentment, and a presumption that their success is somehow at our expense, sort of a cheapshot child's take on the Marxist perspective, the font these days of so much foolishness. This is a decadent view, in my judgment. The more technical term is ressentiment. You could look it up.

Should you choose to relent on your resentment of Mac, I would commend Bill Belichick to your attention as one genuinely deserving of your condemnation in this matter.

 

[sb1]

Washington had little pass rushing talent after trading their top two guys.

Jonathan Allen went to the last two Pro Bowls. Daron Payne is no slouch either.

They still have some pass rushing talent there it's not like they have nobody.