Kraft comments on Patriots are cheap storyline.

[1960Pats]

The Patriots are cheap until proven otherwise Bill is gone so now lets see the spending over the next 5 years starting from now, lets see them in the top 5 or 10 and then revisit this.

One off season of spending doesn't mean anything because you eventually have to spend, it's about the average over a 5-10 year period.

This is not a destination anymore, nobody wants to play in the cold on a team that's going to be projected to win 6 games if you want elite talent and star players you're going to have to pay at the top of the market to get this thing back to being a competitive watchable product, you can't just draft your way out of it, there's nothing good or impressive about sucking for 5 years until you can get 5 picks in the top 10 to build your team.

I don't recall the same problem spending on talent before Bill took over, but I wasn't following the money back then.

 

[1960Pats]

Don't be silly everyone knows the success was %99 all Brady

Yes, and their record without each other proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. And the same goes for Bill's rotted coaching tree.

Brady was spot on when he told Kraft that drafting him was the best decision the Pats ever made. Unfortunately, they followed that up 20 years later by making their worst decision ever.

 

[signbabybrady]

Yes, and their record without each other proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. And the same goes for Bill's rotted coaching tree.

Brady was spot on when he told Kraft that drafting him was the best decision the Pats ever made. Unfortunately, they followed that up 20 years later by making their worst decision ever.

I know you hate Bill but you might consider the other players.

 

[lancerman]

The good thing about this is story is that we will find out real fast whether Kraft will put up the money or if the team is going to be cheap without the last coach. If we see a change in mentality and spend that Kraft approves, we can probably safetly assume that it was just the way Bill liked to manage the cap.

 

[FCB02062]

I remember a quote, anecdote, etc, from somewhere, maybe someone posted it here many moons ago, maybe someone said it on EEI or 98.5 a long time ago. But this was back when everyone was tongue bathing Belichick and Krafty Bob for the "Patriot Way" of personnel management. During the Brady glory years.
The gist of said quite, claim, whatever, was that the Patriots draft strategy is to draft players in the early rounds at positions that project to cost less over the length their contracts. so basically, taking majority of "low stat impact" defensive players early, interior linemen. like drafting nickel corners, safeties, middle linebackers, dline, oline...guys that can't quantifiably justify big $ based on sacks, interceptions, etc.
And I think if you go back through their drafts from say, 04 once Brady established himself as the QB for the foreseeable next 10-15 years, most picks in 1-3 rounds were exactly that - safeties, nickel corners, inside backers, project edge rushers, linemen, and running backs.
that was modified a bit post Brady, with Drafting Jones and Gonzalez.
It will be quite interesting to see how Krafty Bob managed this third pick, the most important draft pick since 1993.

 

[signbabybrady]

The good thing about this is story is that we will find out real fast whether Kraft will put up the money or if the team is going to be cheap without the last coach. If we see a change in mentality and spend that Kraft approves, we can probably safetly assume that it was just the way Bill liked to manage the cap.

Problem with that is that the money not spent the last few seasons has been piling up. You can't really make any assumptions based anything really fast. Only time will tell if his spending changes. After 5-10 years we'll know if spending habits have changed.

 

[signbabybrady]

I remember a quote, anecdote, etc, from somewhere, maybe someone posted it here many moons ago, maybe someone said it on EEI or 98.5 a long time ago. But this was back when everyone was tongue bathing Belichick and Krafty Bob for the "Patriot Way" of personnel management. During the Brady glory years.
The gist of said quite, claim, whatever, was that the Patriots draft strategy is to draft players in the early rounds at positions that project to cost less over the length their contracts. so basically, taking majority of "low stat impact" defensive players early, interior linemen. like drafting nickel corners, safeties, middle linebackers, dline, oline...guys that can't quantifiably justify big $ based on sacks, interceptions, etc.
And I think if you go back through their drafts from say, 04 once Brady established himself as the QB for the foreseeable next 10-15 years, most picks in 1-3 rounds were exactly that - safeties, nickel corners, inside backers, project edge rushers, linemen, and running backs.
that was modified a bit post Brady, with Drafting Jones and Gonzalez.
It will be quite interesting to see how Krafty Bob managed this third pick, the most important draft pick since 1993.

This is pretty interesting and seems like a fairly smart strategy if you can find guys like Moss, Talibs, and Revis to fill the gaps.

Problem is I'm not sure if it's all of this or just the WR position. I don't think Bill really cares that much about the alpha WR.

Secondly in order for it to work you had to qualify the corners drafted as nickel corners and I'm not sure why that's the case. Third we kind of had the most expensive position locked up.

 

[venecol]

No.

You are confused and can't see the forest for the trees. The "trees" is how and what to spend the budget on. The "forest" is the total budget amount to be spent. RK owns the Patriots and sets the budget. LOL you don't know that a business owner sets a business's budget. No idea how else to respond because this is very simple. BB controls and spends the budget that RK sets.

Sure, but that still doesn't prove that Bill didn't spent below the budget set, which is a distinct possibility and would make Krafts statement correct.

 

[venecol]

The only problem he'll have is himself there is no way he spends the percentage required to make him the top spender over the next decade. Probably not enough to even pull him to the average.

I don't think anyone believes the Patriots should be the top spenders. If the drafts get better, they won't need to be. Nobody wants to own the most expensive house on the block.

 

[venecol]

I don't recall the same problem spending on talent before Bill took over, but I wasn't following the money back then.

Bledsoe.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Sure, but that still doesn't prove that Bill didn't spent below the budget set, which is a distinct possibility and would make Krafts statement correct.

BB complained about the low budget in real time and had to retract his complaint. Others have commented on the low budget too.

You are right. I didn't expect a comment that BB underspent the budget because that is an absurd comment. Sorry for being direct, but that is ridiculous.

You don't seem like a lackey for RK. You hate BB too?

 

[signbabybrady]

I don't think anyone believes the Patriots should be the top spenders. If the drafts get better, they won't need to be. Nobody wants to own the most expensive house on the block.

I don't even believe he will spend enough to take him to average.

He'll spend this off-season and point out for years how he opened up after Bill but then when we look back at a 5 or ten years window we'll truly see how cheap he is when he's still below average.

 

[signbabybrady]

BB complained about the low budget in real time and had to retract his complaint. Others have commented on the low budget too.

You are right. I didn't expect a comment that BB underspent the budget because that is an absurd comment. Sorry for being direct, but that is ridiculous.

You don't seem like a lackey for RK. You hate BB too?

Venecol is the president of the BB hater club.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I don't recall the same problem spending on talent before Bill took over, but I wasn't following the money back then.

Curtis Martin. Both parties point the finger at each other at fault. Martin says he was badly lowballed because Kraft thought he already had too much mileage. That's the only reason why he entertained Parcells' offer. The other rumor was that Martin was being unreasonable and thought he should get QB money because he was more important to the team than Bledsoe.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Venecol is the president of the BB hater club.

OH thanks. I did not know that. That explains his wild crazy theory.

What's up with @ahmed? BB hater too? Or is he just genuinely confused?

 

[archstanton543]

It will be quite interesting to see how Krafty Bob managed this third pick, the most important draft pick since 1993.

Say it with me: Bob Kraft doesn't pick players.

 

[signbabybrady]

OH thanks. I did not know that. That explains his wild crazy theory.

What's up with @ahmed? BB hater too? Or is he just genuinely confused?

Full fledged member too.

 

[festy1986]

The good thing about this is story is that we will find out real fast whether Kraft will put up the money or if the team is going to be cheap without the last coach. If we see a change in mentality and spend that Kraft approves, we can probably safetly assume that it was just the way Bill liked to manage the cap.

We already have our answer.

Just look at how they're investing in their coaching.

Nobody in their right mind thinks that the Patriots aren't going to spend big in the off-season. They're going to spend more money at this offseason probably than anybody has ever spent.

But what about next year? In the year after? If he does it two three four years in a row then you have your answer but right now I think the money they're throwing in their coaching shows exactly how committed Kraft is.

 

[venecol]

BB complained about the low budget in real time and had to retract his complaint. Others have commented on the low budget too.

You are right. I didn't expect a comment that BB underspent the budget because that is an absurd comment. Sorry for being direct, but that is ridiculous.

You don't seem like a lackey for RK. You hate BB too?

BB didn't complain about a low budget at all. He never mentioned the word budget. He complained about cash spending. He then retracted it by saying team spent to the cap which is all that mattered. He also said you couldn't spend a lot of cash year over year because it wasn't sustainable, which is true and contrary to what we've witnessed to be his own philosophy.

Lol, I'm not an RK lackey. We just don't know how much of this was Bill's approach and philosophy to cap spending vs Kraft being so called "cheap." The truth is probably somewhere in between. Neither one of us knows. Nothing to do with hate.

 

[venecol]

I don't even believe he will spend enough to take him to average.

He'll spend this off-season and point out for years how he opened up after Bill but then when we look back at a 5 or ten years window we'll truly see how cheap he is when he's still below average.

Glad you can see into the future. Lol