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Was Atlanta 1/8 on 3rd down? Thats the key stat right there if true.

I wonder if the Patriots defensive schemes were different on 3rd down (more than a team might normally make change for that down and situation say).

I'm guessing this might be an example of over thinking things, but there MIGHT be something to only playing a certain/your best defensive scheme on third down with the idea that it's going to minimize the exposure that scheme will get seen and perhaps make it less probable the other guys are going to dissect what your doing and make the necessary changes.

(Offense: we are pushing the ball so successfully why change what doing?)

Another version of bend don't break. Let them see one thing on downs one and two. Assume they'll get yards but also that at some point it'll be 3rd down and you can change it up and make the stop.
 
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Ironically, it was third down defense and not red zone defense that saved the Patriots. The season came full circle.
 
IMO one of the most incredible stats was that the Pats ran just about 98 plays (including penalties) while the Falcons only ran 46, Ryan only threw 23 passes... We wore them down offensively and our D was "fresh" at the end.. The Falcons were "out of gas". Despite the Falcons having all those young rookies. Did the announcers beat 'how young the defense was' in your heads enough??

Heard a Pats player say that all those uphill wind sprints between the soccer and football practice fields made them ready, superior conditioning..

Silliest stat of the week was quarterback rating.. Ryan was 144, Brady was 95... that shows how stupid that QB standard is..

There is always the talk about keeping Brady off the field to beat the Pats.. The Pats kept Ryan off the field.

Then there is the "Vic Beasley factor"; he had 1 QB hit, no sacks and no tackles. Marcus Cannon has come of age..
 
I noticed the first of these 2 stats right after the game and I've been waiting almost a week to see if someone in the media, or even on this board report on this. The second one was somethng that's been bothering me for a long time and I said WTF, since I was starting this thread, this would be a good as place as any to include it.

1. 21 - TWENTY-ONE - XXI - 7x3

Those are the number of points that the Pats defense allowed a historically good offense that averaged over 40 ppg over the last 8 games, INCLUDING 2 playoff games, And I've almost heard nothing about that fantastic accomplishment.

When you think about it, it says so much about the way BB/Patricia have created this defense. Remember Ryan had a 144 QB rating, and a 78% completion rate. Their running attack averaged around 6 ypc. And on the 3 drives they did score on, they moved down the field like a hot knife through butter. Plus they were 3/3 in the red zone.

Pretty underwhelming if you want to write something complimentary about this defense. So how did it happen. Well there were several reasons I can offer. First the offense WAS movning the ball for most of the game against the Falcons, plus they got an extra possession with the pick six, so in the end the Falcoms only saw the ball for about 24 minutes in the game. So that was part of it. But it doesn't tell the whole story. The Pats D was 7 of 8 on 3rd down in getting off the field. So that was good. But quite frankly I can't really explain it. In fact I started this thread with the hope that in the discussion that follows we might explore this more.

It was so typical of so many of BB's defenses. They look like crap, but when the clock reads 0:00, the opponent has a lot fewer points than you'd expect. Back in 2011 when the D was hisotically BAD, they somehow ranked 17th in scoring D. Certainly not great, but much better than you'd have expected.

What is ironic here is how these 2 defenses will be perceived after this game. The Pats D, filled with no names, will be thought of as still suspect. A defense that Atlanta carved up and ran on at will. They will ignore the spectacular 3rd down numbers. They will ignore that most of the 100 odd rush yds Atlanta picked up came early and in big chunks, and that one of the reasons the Atlanta was throwing it in the end was that in their last 5 or 6 tries, they'd been pretty much stuffed. (I recall seeing that in another thread). Plus in the end Atlanta ended up with only 240 net passing yds.

On the other hand, the Atlanta D will come out of this game with the reputation as being dymanic and fast with a great future. It will be a very positive perception. This despite the fact they gave up almost 580 yds of offense. They allowed the Pats to complete 50% of their 3rd down conversions, and most importantly allowed the Pats score the last FIVE times they had the ball, when all they needed was ONE stop to win the game. All this while the Pats offense was helping out by committing 2 TO's, around 4 dropped passes, a few missed open receivers, a pick 6, and their worst pass blocking game of the year.

BOTTOM LINE - The Pats defense was better than it was perceived, and their defense wasn't as good.

2. The 2nd stat is in response to some of the commentary I've read and seen. Hear it is:

6 out of 7.'

That is the number of drives that Tom Brady has orchestrated in the 4th quarter when they were behind or tied in superbowls. And the ONLY time he didn't do that was in 2004 when he led a 4th quarter drive to put them up 10 late in the game. That's his WORST clutch performance. :rolleyes:

In all the discussions about who is the greatest and most clutch, people forget that in the Pats 2 superbowl losses, Tom Brady took his team from behind late in the 4th quarter to put them ahead with under 3 minutes to go. THAT stat is AMAZING. Joe Montana might have played in 4 superbowls and had one great end of the game drive. BUT Brady had done it SIX times. Who is even close to that. IIRC Manning has done it once in an AFCCG in 2006. He's NEVER done it in a superbowl. In fact in his 2 superbowl wins, he was just a passenger. In the loss, he was a major reason at the end.

The more I think about it, this might just be the most spectacular Brady stat of them all.

Don't shoot the messenger, but Tom Brady passed Brett Favre in SBLI for most interceptions thrown (and extended his lead in TDs thrown) in the post-season all time. He's far and away got the most playoff TDs and games played, so the ratio is fine against playoff caliber defenses.

Top 4 QBs in post-season TD passes


Brady: 63 TDs - 31 INTs
Montana: 45 TDs - 21 INTs
Favre: 44 TDs - 30 INTs
P. Manning: 40 TDs - 25 INTs

NFL Career Playoffs Passes Intercepted Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com
 
Thanks for the imput and additional stats all were pretty cool. But just one thought that could become a new pet peeve of mine if it continues to be talked about, and that's the idea that the pass on Edelman's miracle catch and the end zome pass to Bennett in OT SHOULD have been intercepted.

THAT is ridiculous. On both plays the defensive player made a great play to get his hands on the ball, but to think they were catchable REALLY stretches the imagination. If either had actually caught those balls then THAT would have become the greatest catch in NFL history.

Trying to make the point that the Pats were lucky that those ball weren't intercepted is just a ploy to try and minimize what was accomplished. This is not to say the Pats needed some luck to pull off what they did, but just not those 2 plays.
 
Tom Brady, 208 career wins...........
 
I noticed the first of these 2 stats right after the game and I've been waiting almost a week to see if someone in the media, or even on this board report on this. The second one was somethng that's been bothering me for a long time and I said WTF, since I was starting this thread, this would be a good as place as any to include it.

1. 21 - TWENTY-ONE - XXI - 7x3

Those are the number of points that the Pats defense allowed a historically good offense that averaged over 40 ppg over the last 8 games, INCLUDING 2 playoff games, And I've almost heard nothing about that fantastic accomplishment.

When you think about it, it says so much about the way BB/Patricia have created this defense. Remember Ryan had a 144 QB rating, and a 78% completion rate. Their running attack averaged around 6 ypc. And on the 3 drives they did score on, they moved down the field like a hot knife through butter. Plus they were 3/3 in the red zone.

Pretty underwhelming if you want to write something complimentary about this defense. So how did it happen. Well there were several reasons I can offer. First the offense WAS movning the ball for most of the game against the Falcons, plus they got an extra possession with the pick six, so in the end the Falcoms only saw the ball for about 24 minutes in the game. So that was part of it. But it doesn't tell the whole story. The Pats D was 7 of 8 on 3rd down in getting off the field. So that was good. But quite frankly I can't really explain it. In fact I started this thread with the hope that in the discussion that follows we might explore this more.

It was so typical of so many of BB's defenses. They look like crap, but when the clock reads 0:00, the opponent has a lot fewer points than you'd expect. Back in 2011 when the D was hisotically BAD, they somehow ranked 17th in scoring D. Certainly not great, but much better than you'd have expected.

What is ironic here is how these 2 defenses will be perceived after this game. The Pats D, filled with no names, will be thought of as still suspect. A defense that Atlanta carved up and ran on at will. They will ignore the spectacular 3rd down numbers. They will ignore that most of the 100 odd rush yds Atlanta picked up came early and in big chunks, and that one of the reasons the Atlanta was throwing it in the end was that in their last 5 or 6 tries, they'd been pretty much stuffed. (I recall seeing that in another thread). Plus in the end Atlanta ended up with only 240 net passing yds.

On the other hand, the Atlanta D will come out of this game with the reputation as being dymanic and fast with a great future. It will be a very positive perception. This despite the fact they gave up almost 580 yds of offense. They allowed the Pats to complete 50% of their 3rd down conversions, and most importantly allowed the Pats score the last FIVE times they had the ball, when all they needed was ONE stop to win the game. All this while the Pats offense was helping out by committing 2 TO's, around 4 dropped passes, a few missed open receivers, a pick 6, and their worst pass blocking game of the year.

BOTTOM LINE - The Pats defense was better than it was perceived, and their defense wasn't as good.

2. The 2nd stat is in response to some of the commentary I've read and seen. Hear it is:

6 out of 7.'

That is the number of drives that Tom Brady has orchestrated in the 4th quarter when they were behind or tied in superbowls. And the ONLY time he didn't do that was in 2004 when he led a 4th quarter drive to put them up 10 late in the game. That's his WORST clutch performance. :rolleyes:

In all the discussions about who is the greatest and most clutch, people forget that in the Pats 2 superbowl losses, Tom Brady took his team from behind late in the 4th quarter to put them ahead with under 3 minutes to go. THAT stat is AMAZING. Joe Montana might have played in 4 superbowls and had one great end of the game drive. BUT Brady had done it SIX times. Who is even close to that. IIRC Manning has done it once in an AFCCG in 2006. He's NEVER done it in a superbowl. In fact in his 2 superbowl wins, he was just a passenger. In the loss, he was a major reason at the end.

The more I think about it, this might just be the most spectacular Brady stat of them all.


BB is a firm believer that a Defense constructed to be complete with no glaring weakness, conservative, absorb the blows, "Bend but don't Break", will win for you, given enough opportunities for it to work. Not spectacular, but ultimately decisive.

Your second observation about JJ's YAC, just confirms the "Bend but don't Break" philosophy. Double teaming Julio along with others, both short and deep, prevented his talent from being converted to instant scores. The Falcons did not make a deep reception that broke free for a TD. They had to earn every point, and ultimately didn't score enough points. About 20 points less than their "norm". That is the object after all, isn't it?

This could have been a blowout; but Brady's decline, so visible in quarters 1st, 2nd, most of the 3rd, led to ONLY scoring in the mid-30s!
 
Thanks for the imput and additional stats all were pretty cool. But just one thought that could become a new pet peeve of mine if it continues to be talked about, and that's the idea that the pass on Edelman's miracle catch and the end zome pass to Bennett in OT SHOULD have been intercepted.

THAT is ridiculous. On both plays the defensive player made a great play to get his hands on the ball, but to think they were catchable REALLY stretches the imagination. If either had actually caught those balls then THAT would have become the greatest catch in NFL history.

Trying to make the point that the Pats were lucky that those ball weren't intercepted is just a ploy to try and minimize what was accomplished. This is not to say the Pats needed some luck to pull off what they did, but just not those 2 plays.

It's really tough for Beasley to intercept that ball. So I don't think he should have but it would have been nice for the Falcons if he somehow batted the ball right to himself.

Alford should have intercepted that pass but you know the saying, that's why they don't play wide receiver.

So in that sense, no the Patriots were not lucky Alford didn't intercept that pass. DB's are not supposed to be able to make the hard catches. This is a hard catch even for wide receivers. If he had, you could say the Falcons were lucky!

But you're right, they're just trying to minimize the accomplishment. It's what jealous haters do. So pay no attention to them!
 
I noticed the first of these 2 stats right after the game and I've been waiting almost a week to see if someone in the media, or even on this board report on this. The second one was somethng that's been bothering me for a long time and I said WTF, since I was starting this thread, this would be a good as place as any to include it.

1. 21 - TWENTY-ONE - XXI - 7x3

You probably should have read this board more carefully, because I had you beat by nearly a week. I started this thread shortly after the win.

This defense is elite
 
Thanks for the imput and additional stats all were pretty cool. But just one thought that could become a new pet peeve of mine if it continues to be talked about, and that's the idea that the pass on Edelman's miracle catch and the end zome pass to Bennett in OT SHOULD have been intercepted.

THAT is ridiculous. On both plays the defensive player made a great play to get his hands on the ball, but to think they were catchable REALLY stretches the imagination. If either had actually caught those balls then THAT would have become the greatest catch in NFL history.

Trying to make the point that the Pats were lucky that those ball weren't intercepted is just a ploy to try and minimize what was accomplished. This is not to say the Pats needed some luck to pull off what they did, but just not those 2 plays.

I agree on the Vic Beasley OT pass.. there was almost 0% chance he was catching that ball.. he was fully extended and got a paw on the ball. But the pass to Edelman while the defender who got his hands on it had a small chance of actually picking it.. he tipped it up into the teeth of the defense. And obviously Edelman came out with the ball. Also the Bennet tipped catch was a sure INT if Bennet wasn't cutting across the field.
 
Defense took it personal. They came together as one and met all comers. It's a Testament to their Dedication and Pride and it paid off in Dividends.
 
Not a stat, but the way NE at first failed to handle those stretch runs, made no obvious adjustment to stop them for 3 quarters, and then dialed up a slot corner run blitz to stop it cold just when Atlanta was in field goal range and most needed a run was brilliant strategy.
 
4 superbowl appearances since recordingfromthewrongplacegate

3 superbowl wins before recording from the wrong place was not allowed. The Patriots broke no rule when they won those 3 superbowls.
 
Granted the Falcons looked like their offense could do whatever it wanted for most of the game but they were held to 21 points which is pretty good for the Pats D. It is what it is.
 
The Falcons did not make a deep reception that broke free for a TD. !

Gabriel was wide open deep, having beat his man (butler I believe) cleanly down the middle of the field on the Hightower sack play.......

Please resign Hightower, he was a beast all game. Not only the sack play but setting the edge during the entire 2nd half totally bottled up the Falcons.
 
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AKA "Rogerwilldestroythisteamgate".... do not defy "assclown Roger"..

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