An interesting list of what can we get from QB desperate Teams for our pick #3

[Pats2000]

I'm not promoting a solution, just want to make sure the percentages are understood as we talk about all this.
There's all this talk about a "top 3" QB's in this draft but I don't think they are in the same category at all. Daniels is objectively evaluated as if he'd be a bottom 1st rounder in terms of likelihood of success. The Pats were/are criticised heavily for "overdrafting" Strange. If we are going to overdraft a QB, we should be realistic of the odds, not expect (for example) Daniel's to live up to being the #3 pick in the draft.

It's always a crap shoot when drafting. Even if we get a Joe Burrow or a Lamar Jackson, you can work with that.

 

[DW Toys]

It's always a crap shoot when drafting. Even if we get a Joe Burrow or a Lamar Jackson, you can work with that.

It seems like the tape and flaws on the Holy Three are being overlooked because they are so hyped in the media. Is Williams Pat? No, May might be Trubiski and Daniels might be Josh Dobbs. What am I missing Cousins?
We have a chance for some blue chippers on the OL and WR. How did the Brice Young experiment go with crap WR and OL?Thing David Carr?

I say keep the FOR SALE sign out. If you don't get a good offer, then take the QB.



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[Love The Drake]

It seems like the tape and flaws on the Holy Three are being overlooked because they are so hyped in the media. Is Williams Pat? No, May might be Trubiski and Daniels might be Josh Dobbs. What am I missing Cousins?
We have a chance for some blue chippers on the OL and WR. How did the Brice Young experiment go with crap WR and OL?Thing David Carr?

I say keep the FOR SALE sign out. If you don't get a good offer, then take the QB.



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JJ McCarthy after a slight trade down.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Where did this sudden yearning for McCarthy come from that’s seemingly mentioned in every draft related thread for the last few days?

Because the clips show that he probably has the strongest arm of anyone, and has good mobility to boot, and just won the championship, and played under Harbaugh who played QB in the NFL and is now considered a top coach in all of football. We could start with that.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Why would a team that’s desperate for a QB trade the pick to another QB desperate team?

Why not just take the QB and fill the biggest most important need on the team.

The main reason is we need a lot of help not just QB. It would have to be just a small trade down - say to the Giants at 6 - so we can still get one of the top 4 QB's. If we acquire their high 2nd (37) + more, that would have a big impact - e.g., you could package our 34 and 67 to move up to the mid-20's to get a top OT prospect, then still have the Giants 2nd to draft a WR. That's McCarthy or Daniels at 6, OT at about 24, and WR at 37.

 

[Brick27]

Because the clips show that he probably has the strongest arm of anyone, and has good mobility to boot, and just won the championship, and played under Harbaugh who played QB in the NFL and is now considered a top coach in all of football. We could start with that.

So every National champion with a good college coach is destined to be good? Wish that was the case with Mac.

Will let those watching “clips” and not the college football season think what they want, who knows how he will be—he could be very good. More so my point is it feels like every other thread right now requires a mention of him, when seemingly only 3 weeks ago it was only about Maye vs. Daniels. It’s like a switch went off overnight and a lot of support moved to McCarthy. Guess it must be a reflection of NE sports media cranking out draft takes.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

So every National champion with a good college coach is destined to be good? Wish that was the case with Mac.

Will let those watching “clips” and not the college football season think what they want, who knows how he will be—he could be very good. More so my point is it feels like every other thread right now requires a mention of him, when seemingly only 3 weeks ago it was only about Maye vs. Daniels. It’s like a switch went off overnight and a lot of support moved to McCarthy. Guess it must be a reflection of NE sports media cranking out draft takes.

You’re right about how a week ago he wasn’t being mentioned. But the same could be said about Daniels. Those two have really shot up in a very short time.

 

[varjao]

Where did this sudden yearning for McCarthy come from that’s seemingly mentioned in every draft related thread for the last few days?

Yeah the hype machine is on full display.

I can see the advantages of taking a QB on the 1st round even if that player in question is graded as a 2nd round pick, because of the 5th year option, specially if he needs to sit for a year or maybe more (if it is more, cost/benefit of the pick comes into question)

Note that I'm not saying JJ is a 2nd round player although from what I've seen, it is, maybe even later round, but I'm no college specialist.

But all of a sudden talks about using a top 1st round draft pick on him seems a bit exaggerated for me.

The guy needs to hit the weight room, then needs to sit for a year get some more seasoning etc it's a bit of too much needing, a top 10 1st round player needs to come ready at least from a physical stand point.

 

[patfanken]

Yeah the hype machine is on full display.

I can see the advantages of taking a QB on the 1st round even if that player in question is graded as a 2nd round pick, because of the 5th year option, specially if he needs to sit for a year or maybe more (if it is more, cost/benefit of the pick comes into question)

Note that I'm not saying JJ is a 2nd round player although from what I've seen, it is, maybe even later round, but I'm no college specialist.

But all of a sudden talks about using a top 1st round draft pick on him seems a bit exaggerated for me.

The guy needs to hit the weight room, then needs to sit for a year get some more seasoning etc it's a bit of too much needing, a top 10 1st round player needs to come ready at least from a physical stand point.

Here's the thing. History tells us one IMMUTABLE fact. That at a minimum one of these top 3 QB's will fail to meet expectations. We all know this to be true, and at best you hope YOUR pick isn't that guy. It is just the way it is and has ALWAYS been. Not to mention that in some years it's more than one.

That is why bringing in a vet is so important. And to that end, I believe Russell Wilson would be the best option. He played his best football during the last half of the season, before his contract got him benched. He'd be experienced and solid at the position. But most importantly (if I understand it correctly), he'll only cost the vet minimum against the cap, or roughly $1-1.5MM for next year, with the rest of his $40MM coming from Denver. So regardless of whether you get one of the top 3 or trade down to one of the 2nd tier QB's, you are in a position where you DON'T have to throw the rookie into the fire right away.

I think one of the things people don't understand is just how much more complex the defenses are in the NFL AND how much better the talent is. Add that to the increased complexity of the NFL offense, it is not hard to see ANY rookie QB struggle with their decision-making process and lose their confidence. Just look at Mac. He went from the best rookie year of ANY of the top 5 QB's that year, to a shadow of that person we saw in 2021.

The cost of getting Fields, even if you think he can get to be a franchise QB, will he VERY high. And a lot of the evidence seems to be that his ceiling isn't that high. More Dobbs than Jackson. So from Flacco to JG, to Tannehill, to Wilson, etc, there are a good number of "bridge" guys out their this FA season. And regardless of which strategy you deem necessary to fill your long term QB needs, having the ability to let your young QB sit for a year or two will ALWAYS be a good plan.

 

[rogerthat]

Here's the thing. History tells us one IMMUTABLE fact. That at a minimum one of these top 3 QB's will fail to meet expectations. We all know this to be true, and at best you hope YOUR pick isn't that guy. It is just the way it is and has ALWAYS been. Not to mention that in some years it's more than one.

That is why bringing in a vet is so important. And to that end, I believe Russell Wilson would be the best option. He played his best football during the last half of the season, before his contract got him benched. He'd be experienced and solid at the position. But most importantly (if I understand it correctly), he'll only cost the vet minimum against the cap, or roughly $1-1.5MM for next year, with the rest of his $40MM coming from Denver. So regardless of whether you get one of the top 3 or trade down to one of the 2nd tier QB's, you are in a position where you DON'T have to throw the rookie into the fire right away.

I think one of the things people don't understand is just how much more complex the defenses are in the NFL AND how much better the talent is. Add that to the increased complexity of the NFL offense, it is not hard to see ANY rookie QB struggle with their decision-making process and lose their confidence. Just look at Mac. He went from the best rookie year of ANY of the top 5 QB's that year, to a shadow of that person we saw in 2021.

The cost of getting Fields, even if you think he can get to be a franchise QB, will he VERY high. And a lot of the evidence seems to be that his ceiling isn't that high. More Dobbs than Jackson. So from Flacco to JG, to Tannehill, to Wilson, etc, there are a good number of "bridge" guys out their this FA season. And regardless of which strategy you deem necessary to fill your long term QB needs, having the ability to let your young QB sit for a year or two will ALWAYS be a good plan.

Russell Wilson at 1.5 million makes a ton of sense. Very low risk, high reward. If you trade down, you conceivably get 2 shots at a QB, too. So basically 3 cracks plus- is Zappe dead as an NFL starter? Maybe not- 4 tries and hope one of them hits.

 

[mgteich]

Russell Wilson at 1.5 million makes a ton of sense. Very low risk, high reward. If you trade down, you conceivably get 2 shots at a QB, too. So basically 3 cracks plus- is Zappe dead as an NFL starter? Maybe not- 4 tries and hope one of them hits.

Why would Wilson want to play for the patriots for $1.5M, presuming that DEN cuts him?

 

[Mcp1982]

Why would Wilson want to play for the patriots for $1.5M, presuming that DEN cuts him?

He's getting $39mm guaranteed from Denver, so will sign for minimum anywhere. That is far and away best value for a bridge QB out there. We probably give him best chance of starting, other than Steelers maybe. I'm warming to sign Wilson, trade down a few picks and take McCarthy or BPA if he's gone and trade back into late first if a QB slips that they like

 

[mgteich]

He's getting $39mm guaranteed from Denver, so will sign for minimum anywhere. That is far and away best value for a bridge QB out there. We probably give him best chance of starting, other than Steelers maybe. I'm warming to sign Wilson, trade down a few picks and take McCarthy or BPA if he's gone and trade back into late first if a QB slips that they like

OK, you think that Wilson would want to play for the patriots for ZERO additional dollars, just so he can start?

If he is willing to play for ZERO, there might be other teams that might be interested.

With the DEN gift, he can go anywhere and do anything. And you think that the best opportunity in the entire world is starting for the New England Patriots for zero pay?

 

[Mcp1982]

OK, you think that Wilson would want to play for the patriots for ZERO additional dollars, just so he can start?

If he is willing to play for ZERO, there might be other teams that might be interested.

With the DEN gift, he can go anywhere and do anything. And you think that the best opportunity in the entire world is starting for the New England Patriots for zero pay?

I think it's his best chance of starting. Where else does he have a better shot? Steelers maybe. Falcons prob going younger for a long term solution. Where else does he go as immediate starter, even if only for a year?

 

[mgteich]

I think it's his best chance of starting. Where else does he have a better shot? Steelers maybe. Falcons prob going younger for a long term solution. Where else does he go as immediate starter, even if only for a year?

I think that he would rather be an announcer than to play for free for a team that has no chance of a title.

 

[Mcp1982]

I think that he would rather be an announcer than to play for free for a team that has no chance of a title.

He certainly would if he, you know, wants to play football going forward

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I think that he would rather be an announcer than to play for free for a team that has no chance of a title.

Unless some team wants to pay him > $39m this season, he’s playing for free no matter where he signs. The team that offers him a chance to start will get him.

 

[1960Pats]

I still like the idea of picking up a FA QB and trading out of the 3rd pick to get additional picks.

 

[DW Toys]

Because the clips show that he probably has the strongest arm of anyone, and has good mobility to boot, and just won the championship, and played under Harbaugh who played QB in the NFL and is now considered a top coach in all of football. We could start with that.

Cousin, Rattler has a gun as well.
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[Love The Drake]

I still like the idea of picking up a FA QB and trading out of the 3rd pick to get additional picks.

Only if we can land one of McCarthy or Nix. Or sign Mayfield or Trade for Fields.