Zappe vs Mac

[jdlboot14]

One thing is for sure. BB created the coaching staff - and they are not cutting in - on either side of the ball.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Zappe crashed to earth after making a couple of plays in the first quarter. He couldn't do a single thing after that, it seemed like an endless string of 3 & outs and batted balls. To me it showed he's not nearly ready to play against a good D, and may never be, even though he played flawlessly the previous couple of weeks.

Mac hasn't been good, but he can at least move the ball against a D like the Bears or Ravens. He's far more mobile. He just can't throw balls like that INT last night.

 

[VectorPrime]

One thing is for sure. BB created the coaching staff - and they are not cutting in - on either side of the ball.

Literally created them with a couple of the coaches.

 

[Wozzy]

It’s Zappe, there’s no QB controversy. He came in and engineered two scoring drives after three duds, two three and outs and another interception from Mac panicking.

Mac never should have started. Zappe could probably have built a solid lead with those three early attempts and wouldn’t be playing from behind.

Patricia and Zappe need to work on those batted balls, one that ended in an interception. He’s not the first 6’1” QB to play in the league, he has to learn how to pump fake and get linemen in front of him to commit early with their leap, Patricia has to do a better job of moving the pocket and rolling Zappe out. He can’t just stand back there like a statue unless he perfects the pump fake and looking off defenders. I think it being wet out there and a slippery ball may have effected his ability to pump fake it.

They have to commit to and play Zappe, practice with him all week, keep running the ball heavily. Don’t waffle. He’s the guy, he’s still a rookie who needs to learn and be managed, but he’s the guy… unless he proves otherwise

 

[sb1]

Just being honest…I’m not liking what I’m hearing with reports the team was either surprised or unhappy with the QB switch. They’re not on the same page. And BB still playing coy with who starts on Sunday? And he’s not committing to anyone.

This kind of stuff is what starts to happen to coaches whose seats are warming up near the end of their run. Tom Coughlin’s exit from the Giants followed a similar path.

Maybe I’m overreacting but this doesn’t feel great right now.

 

[aluminum seats]

This thread is turning into a Mac vs Zappe conversation, going to merge threads.

Disagree on that move. A discussion of Belichick's handling of the situation is different that just "mac vs zappe" although obviously that will be a component of it. Why in the world would a couple of similar, but different, topics/threads be a problem?

Now it's this one massive thread which I probably won't bother with. It's the central issue of the team right now, let's not have thread OCD and feel compelled to tidy everything up. No disrespect but I'd break this out, I started the thread for a reason.

 

[jah]

The end for him is likely not far off, regardless of what character that ending takes (and whether he leaves us in good hands after).

 

[archstanton543]

It’s Zappe, there’s no QB controversy. He came in and engineered two scoring drives after three duds, two three and outs and another interception from Mac panicking.

Mac never should have started. Zappe could probably have built a solid lead with those three early attempts and wouldn’t be playing from behind.

Patricia and Zappe need to work on those batted balls, one that ended in an interception. He’s not the first 6’1” QB to play in the league, he has to learn how to pump fake and get linemen in front of him to commit early with their leap, Patricia has to do a better job of moving the pocket and rolling Zappe out. He can’t just stand back there like a statue unless he perfects the pump fake and looking off defenders. I think it being wet out there and a slippery ball may have effected his ability to pump fake it.

They have to commit to and play Zappe, practice with him all week, keep running the ball heavily. Don’t waffle. He’s the guy, he’s still a rookie who needs to learn and be managed, but he’s the guy… unless he proves otherwise

They weren't playing from behind the whole game. They took the lead 14-10 and then all three phases decided to suck on toast.

 

[jdlboot14]

This is the type of situation where the Krafts may have to actually get involved.
This is an organization threatening situation if the locker room starts getting split, or feeling BB has gone too far with the mental games.
It's getting into Parcell's category, and I don't think Bob or Jonathan want it to go there.

 

[Love The Drake]

Kraft should already be on the phone with the Saints to see if Mac and a third would net him Sean Payton.

 

[archstanton543]

Well, he's closer to the end of his career than the beginning. He probably has maybe three or four years tops left.

 

[BB8XSBW]

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

My main question/concern is if Belichick can turn this ship around. I haven't seen much evidence of it over the last few years and even last year, we got blown out in the playoffs by Buffalo.

 

[libra957]

Zap looks better to me. But i'm not impressed with Bill mid-season quarterback experiment, this isn't the preseason. Bill should go with Zap and ride the wave, and everyone should get on board.

 

[NJPatsfan26]

Not an over reaction. Every dynasty has a end. Seems we may be a few years late.

 

[jdlboot14]

It'd be a sad day, but that day seems closer than we all might realize.
I'd still like BB to get past Halas - and maybe it was the curse of old Papa Bear last night.
But after this year, I'd say it could be a total overhaul. BB, Matty P, Judge, Stevie B.
Bring in Peyton, keep Mayo and T. Brown

 

[PaulThePat]

Maybe he was right all along. Just broke the news 20 years early.

 

[reflexblue]

If the team doesn't turn it around i'd give him a year or two and he retires I don't think hes lost his x+o's ability though.

 

[ashley]

His next win he passes Hallas for 2nd all time. He's not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Wozzy]

Starting Mac and messing with a winning streak was dumb. It probably cost them the game.

They also clearly got out coached last night. How do you play the Bears and not put a shadow on Fields until the second half because he was burning you… that’s literally the entirety of his game. He’s Lamar Jackson lite. You do that from the opening play until the end of the game.

Giving up on the run was stupid, the game wasn’t out of hand to start the second half. Don’t change who you are just because the Bears are putting pressure on you to score. Get Zappe under center and play your game.

Patricia’s two minute offense of just having Zappe stand back in shotgun like a statue was also dumb. Move the entire pocket, roll Zappe around and give him throwing lanes. For cripessakes watch some Drew Brees film and look what Sean Payton did with a QB an inch shorter than Zappe.

It was one game, BB isn’t and shouldn’t be on notice… that’s just silly. But there’s no doubt they have to commit to Zappe and play much smarter. They also have to get healthy, the D missed Barmore and Duggar a lot last night, get your stars healthy.