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[Ivan]

Today, over at "The Athletic" the writers did a mock draft...

- Pick #3 was dealt to the Falcons for pick #8, 2024 2nd (43 I think), and a 2025 1st.
- Pick #8 was then used on the OT from Penn State...Fashu something.
- And we then gave up our original 2nd rounder for Justin Fields.

Food for thought.....

Absolute garbage. That’s the same deal Chad Reuter had on CBS and it’s complete lunacy. Give away their 3rd pick for a ****ty QB who is going to be a free agent wanting over 40 million a season this time next year: so here is my counteroffer to Chad and the Bears, as he must be their biggest fan. The Patriots give Chicago Mac Jones for Chicago’s 1st pick overall, and the Bears 2nd round pick.

 

[50-yard-line]

Absolute garbage. That’s the same deal Chad Reuter had on CBS and it’s complete lunacy. Give away their 3rd pick for a ****ty QB who is going to be a free agent wanting over 40 million a season this time next year: so here is my counteroffer to Chad and the Bears, as he must be their biggest fan. The Patriots give Chicago Mac Jones for Chicago’s 1st pick overall, and the Bears 2nd round pick.

Absolutely agree. The pumping-up of Fields is delusional. Is there a chance he turns it around? Sure, but he gets expensive before this season even begins regarding the option. And he’s 10-28. Come on!

The best thing, of course, would be to hit on a QB in the draft. Quality cheap…the surest thing, to me, would be a good young QB who has shown he can play and lead.

Best of that group available is Mayfield. Wouldn’t be an easy get, wouldn’t be cheap.

 

[KCSVEN]

Trading down and then drafting a 2nd round prospect QB at 12 seems like a complete waste of the 3rd pick.
You can just stay at 3 and take a high quality QB prospect or take one of the few blue chip elite prospects.
To trade that for a 2025 1st, if Atlanta will be in the 20's which equates in next years draft to a second-round prospect.
You also got 2 more second round picks which tend to be 50/50 on busts. Theb you added two 3rd round picks which has a success rate less than 50%. So you end up with a second round QB (3% success rate on those) and, at best, 2 other second round talents that stick and MAYBE one other 3rd round talent or you can just take MHJ or Daniels/Maye.
You need to build a full roster but you need the elite players, when drafting in the top 3 you need to walk away with an elite player or go for the franchise QB talent.

With next year's draft looking very weak, I don't see a trade I like if it means missing out on the top QB's or on one of the non-QB blue chip prospects. 3 first round pick and 3 second round picks(which I doubt you'd get) maybe I'd do that but depends on the team, but maybe not Atlanta, they get a QB, in that division they are drafting in the 20's the next 2 years.

If next year's draft class had higher rankings maybe I'd feel differently.

You can make other trades to increase day 2 picks this year and next, you have to go for a blue-chip draft prospect unless someone blows you away.

 

[hornetfb85]

My plan is starting to shape up.

Free agency: Using Spotrac for AAV

Sign Saquon Barkley RB 10 million AAV

Sign Ryan Tannehill 20 million AAV ( guesstimate)

Sign Tyson Smith OT 7.5 million

Sign Josh Jones OT 5 million AAV ( g

Sign Christian Wilkins DT 21 million AAV

Sign Antoine Winfield 16 million AAV

Thats 79.5 million AAV

CUT JC Jackson

Use the rest to re-sign their ownfree agents Trade Mac for an 8th round pick.

Wilkins and Winfield could get tagged, but they are the top players for me in free agency.

Draft either Daniels or Maye at QB, then go either OT or WR at #34, depending on who is the better prospect on the board, Then try to move up with theirv3rd pick and fill the remaining need.

With you on most, but that’s a no for me on tannehill getting 20 mil a year. Maybe a 2 yr 20 total.

 

[hornetfb85]

No trading back for QBs in the 1st please.

I’d still risk trading back one spot if Arizona gives up their 2nd 1st rounder. Other that that, take Maye or Daniels at 3.

 

[Ivan]

Absolutely agree. The pumping-up of Fields is delusional. Is there a chance he turns it around? Sure, but he gets expensive before this season even begins regarding the option. And he’s 10-28. Come on!

The best thing, of course, would be to hit on a QB in the draft. Quality cheap…the surest thing, to me, would be a good young QB who has shown he can play and lead.

Best of that group available is Mayfield. Wouldn’t be an easy get, wouldn’t be cheap.

We agree on Fields. but the free agent QB’s I want are ones they get on a 1-2 year deal, as a placeholder for the #3 pick. This gives them 5 years of not having to pay 20-25% of their cap to a QB, and you can get a lot of good players with that $$$. The Fields **** is absolutely batshit crazy. Chicago is willing to pass up 3 first rounders and start their rebuild over just to get rid of him, and these so called “ draft analysts” think they are going to get a first rounder for him, Any front office that gives up a first for Justin Fields should be fired en masse the second the trade is done, it’s insane.

 

[Ivan]

With you on most, but no ****ing way on tannehill getting 20 mil a year. Maybe a 2 yr 20 total.

I was just guessing on that one, Spotrac wanted a subscription for some of the evaluations. I would love to get him for less.

 

[50-yard-line]

We agree on Fields. but the free agent QB’s I want are ones they get on a 1-2 year deal, as a placeholder for the #3 pick. This gives them 5 years of not having to pay 20-25% of their cap to a QB, and you can get a lot of good players with that $$$. The Fields **** is absolutely batshit crazy. Chicago is willing to pass up 3 first rounders and start their rebuild over just to get rid of him, and these so called “ draft analysts” think they are going to get a first rounder for him, Any front office that gives up a first for Justin Fields should be fired en masse the second the trade is done, it’s insane.

Agree again. The big fear for me would be a QB who doesn’t work out and we’re back to square one in 3 years.

Maye, JJ, Daniels, Penix, Nix, even Williams…is there a really good gamble there?

My guess would be Maye. I hear the Hype on JJ, but fast risers scare me.

The good news is that I’ve read the AVP is pretty great at finding the traits for good QBs.

 

[Ivan]

I’d still risk trading back one spot if Arizona gives up their 2nd 1st rounder. Other that that, take Maye or Daniels at 3.

That would only be a risk if Arizona used it to trade out of it, they aren’t going QB. But I don’t see Arizona moving at all, they don’t need to, Harrison is going to fall right to them.

 

[Ivan]

Agree again. The big fear for me would be a QB who doesn’t work out and we’re back to square one in 3 years.

I’m not worried about that. You always have to take some chances, and this isn’t like Trey Lance, they have all sorts of tape on all 3, and even though I don’t want them to they will trade out if they don’t believe in the 3rd QB. If they do then I have no idea how they will get a franchise QB without sucking as bad as they did this year again. They aren’t going to get one in a trade or free agency, and if it’s the Draft then we are all going to be having the same discussion about taking the QB with a high pick again. Unlike most here I’m not opposed to them going back to the well and using a high pick again on one in a couple of years. You can have a strong QB room as insurance, and trade one if you feel the need to. To me it’s no different than having two really good goalies on the Bruins, your season doesn’t go down the toilet if one gets hurt.

In this case I like all 3 of the top QB prospects, so I’m fine with any of them, and the game of trading down and hoping you get the one you want doesn’t make sense to me. If you have them rated that high for say the 8th pick, then others do too, and one of them will likely trade up to fill their same need for one. If your QB there, take them. If not then figure out your other options well in advance.

 

[Ivan]

Fields is a non-starter IMO.

Same here, it makes zero sense. The Bears are never going to get a 1st round pick for him, those who think they will are seriously deluded. But I guess the Patriots should be out there letting all the teams know that former Pro Bowler Mac Jones is available for a 1st round pick.

 

[The Gr8est]

Agree again. The big fear for me would be a QB who doesn’t work out and we’re back to square one in 3 years.

Maye, JJ, Daniels, Penix, Nix, even Williams…is there a really good gamble there?

My guess would be Maye. I hear the Hype on JJ, but fast risers scare me.

The good news is that I’ve read the AVP is pretty great at finding the traits for good QBs.

Pat Mahomes was a fast riser.

 

[Toofy]

Today, over at "The Athletic" the writers did a mock draft...

- Pick #3 was dealt to the Falcons for pick #8, 2024 2nd (43 I think), and a 2025 1st.
- Pick #8 was then used on the OT from Penn State...Fashu something.
- And we then gave up our original 2nd rounder for Justin Fields.

Food for thought.....

Let the bears front office come up with paid articles to hype fields value .

He is nit getting anything more than a 3rd rounder. What if fields is a one and done qb. Nobody will pick fields 5th year option. If bears want they can pick fields 5th year option and then eat 10 million of that cap and get the 2nd rounder.

 

[Kdo5]

Pat Mahomes was a fast riser.

Pat Mahomes is the second greatest QB of all time. I’m pretty much against drawing any comparisons to Brady or Mahomes.

That said I don’t know how fast risers pan out in general but maybe there are some other examples.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Love this mock draft for the Pats. Trade down not once but twice!! Then pick a tackle that is really a guard! BB is still running the draft folks!!

The Ringer's 2024 NFL Mock Draft

 

[hornetfb85]

That would only be a risk if Arizona used it to trade out of it, they aren’t going QB. But I don’t see Arizona moving at all, they don’t need to, Harrison is going to fall right to them.

Agree, that’s why you try and plant a seed of doubt in their minds. Try to convince them we’re in love with Harrison. Likely a no, but possible.

 

[The Gr8est]

Agree, that’s why you try and plant a seed of doubt in their minds. Try to convince them we’re in love with Harrison. Likely a no, but possible.

Or convince them another team wants to move up for Harrison.

 

[patfanken]

If choosing amongst the top 3 QB's isn't confusing enough, I saw a couple of items that made me go HMMMMM the other day. It's the old chicken and egg type of thing. Do great WR's make a QB look great too, or does a great QB. make their WR's look great.

I saw a draft list of the top WR's coming out and TWO of the top 4 guys played at LSU with Jayden Daniels. Hmmmm. On the other hand, Maye played with just one draft worthy WR and he was likely a mid second day pick.

So when you are evaluating the QB position just how important do you rate the players around them. Does having 2 first round WR's diminish what Daniels accomplished last year. OR does having a weakish OL and no top WR's elevate what Maye accomplished in what was generally thought of as a somewhat disappointing year. The same could be said about JJ. Do you lessen your evaluation because he wasn't asked to carry his team and the fact he played behind one of the better OL's and running games in the country.

This rather confusing operation seems to get even MORE confusing the more you dig into it. OR more frustrating given that the Pats are literally have no control of the result, since it's clear that the first 3 picks are likely to be QB's and they have to simply take what's left

 

[hornetfb85]

Or convince them another team wants to move up for Harrison.

Yep, that’s a more likely avenue

 

[Ivan]

Let the bears front office come up with paid articles to hype fields value .

He is nit getting anything more than a 3rd rounder. What if fields is a one and done qb. Nobody will pick fields 5th year option. If bears want they can pick fields 5th year option and then eat 10 million of that cap and get the 2nd rounder.

It’s a crazy proposition.

If choosing amongst the top 3 QB's isn't confusing enough, I saw a couple of items that made me go HMMMMM the other day. It's the old chicken and egg type of thing. Do great WR's make a QB look great too, or does a great QB. make their WR's look great.

I saw a draft list of the top WR's coming out and TWO of the top 4 guys played at LSU with Jayden Daniels. Hmmmm. On the other hand, Maye played with just one draft worthy WR and he was likely a mid second day pick.

So when you are evaluating the QB position just how important do you rate the players around them. Does having 2 first round WR's diminish what Daniels accomplished last year. OR does having a weakish OL and no top WR's elevate what Maye accomplished in what was generally thought of as a somewhat disappointing year. The same could be said about JJ. Do you lessen your evaluation because he wasn't asked to carry his team and the fact he played behind one of the better OL's and running games in the country.

This rather confusing operation seems to get even MORE confusing the more you dig into it. OR more frustrating given that the Pats are literally have no control of the result, since it's clear that the first 3 picks are likely to be QB's and they have to simply take what's left

There are many factors, but it all comes down to watching them play, and getting the right information about what kind of character they have, I would take any of the 3 at 3, Williams had the most pure talent, but both Daniels and Maye have a ton of talent, and by all accounts the leadership qualities you want in a QB. I know you don’t like to hear it Ken, but this has become a QB driven league, and if you don’t take your QB with your top picks you are probably going to be on the outside looking in at the playoffs. As far as Daniels goes his trajectory is very similar to Burrows. Both were transfers, both were late risers who had great senior seasons, and both had high quality WR’s to throw to. In December the year Burrows was drafted he was listed as a second round pick the Patriots would take as a project, in Draft Countdown. By the time the Combine had come around he was the Heisman winner and National Champ, and was a consensus first pick overall. Nothing is guaranteed, but you do have to take some chances to get a franchise QB. The Patriots have their best pick in 30 years, and I expect them to take either Maye or Daniels, and I’ll be happy with either one.