But It's Not Mac's Fault....

[Thelonious]

We are doing what steeler fans are doing with matt canada if we’re thinking this one change is going to have us winning important games again. Mac’s not the guy, but our issues go far beyond him. GM is where id start.

On the money. You say in a sentence or so what it takes logorrheic blabbermouth Yours Truly a few paragraphs to say.

 

[sb1]

Belichick drafted Richards in the 2nd round because of his intelligence. Didn’t matter he didn’t have athleticism or any football IQ. Still the worst draft pick I’ve ever seen since he was projected to go 3-4 rounds later.

I think he was drafted 5 rounds too high.

 

[State]

Would any other GM with Bill's record be retained?

Most would have been canned long ago. Mismanagement of the OL the last few years and hiring buddies to run the offense last year are each worth termination on their own merit for any bungling GM.

BB has gotten a pass. U til it all came down like a house of cards this season.

You’re right. It’s about Bill the GM ruining his opportunity to pass Shula. Damn shame, too.

The perfect season being ruined by O’Hara’s illegal hands to the face of Seymour and now this.

True Bill Russell type greatness was at hand. Only if we had the refs make the call and Bill defer to a Red Auerbach GM.

But the ego got in the way.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Feel sorry for a guy who got a full-ride scholarship to the best football program in the nation and millions of dollars to play football (badly)? Not me. Those are the stakes when you try to become a big-time athlete, and once he's out of the league in a year or so (after some dumb teams try to make him a reclamation project) he's got a foundation from which his future is secure. That's great and I'm happy for him to achieve that despite his inability to be an NFL QB. That inability is shared by 99.9999% of the population, but we don't get the millions or adulation or other benefits that accrue to those who try. So he's good, hopefully he didn't get enough concussions for there to be CTE, but I got several and didn't make a dime playing sports when I was young. No regrets and don't feel sorry for me either.

im sure he'll make long career out of being a viable backup

 

[Ring 6]

We are doing what steeler fans are doing with matt canada if we’re thinking this one change is going to have us winning important games again. Mac’s not the guy, but our issues go far beyond him. GM is where id start.

People were saying the same thing about the 2001 patriots.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

People were saying the same thing about the 2001 patriots.

times have changed since 2001. These days Unless you have an all time great qb or defense you need legit talent at the skill positions to go anywhere in this league. On top of that our special teams is the ****s, which was a huge part of why 2001 was possible. So winning with complimentary football isn’t a realistic hope at the moment either for this team. And possibly most important, BB is not the coach or gm he was at that time.

All we really have comparable to pre-week 3 of 2001 is hopefully a strong defense when judon and Gonzalez return. But again, having that in 2023 doesn’t move the needle as much as it did in 2001.

 

[Ivan]

You

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvW8kw6gInY

Highlights from yesterday's Commander's game ^

The weapons are bad, the blocking is bad, Tyquan is a bust, that's why Mac is bad... okay.

At 00:49 on 4th and 3 Mac overthrows Tyquan wide open on an in/out route... a sure TD with his speed. Watch that again and imagine if Mac throws on time. Tyquan is 6'2," runs a 4.2 forty, has a 38.5" vertical leap and 33 3/8" arms... his arms are ridiculously long, and Mac overthrows him... how? Because the one time Mac should throw a timing lob, he throws a bullet instead, only way off target. But it's not Mac...

At 03:09 on 3rd and 4 Mac forces his fourth attempt on a third or fourth down into Thornton, despite him being pretty well covered. In the meantime, at the sticks Gesicki is wide open for a first down. Next to him Demario is putting a stupid move on his defender if Mac is a little more patient... the payoff was large with maybe one man to beat behind him. Another terrible decision, but it's not Mac...

Here's where our defense forces a fumble near their red-zone, Mac comes out and throws a TD pass to his great TE Henry and we get the perception "Mac did some good things today." He didn't really, the defense did that and gave you a gift.

At 07:02 on 3rd and 10 Mac doesn't recognize overload on the left side of his O-Line where he has Conor McDermott instead of Trent Brown. Two guys flood and overwhelm the LT but no problem, Rhamondre is wide open under the sticks and Hunter Henry has the post route wide open... just make the throw, either throw... nope, Mac takes the sack instead. He fumbles but luckily his ass gets saved by a roughing the passer flag. But it's not Mac...

At 09:49 on 3rd and 3 Mac has Zeke wide open on a quick slant and throws behind him... but it's not Mac...

At 10:30 on 3rd and 6 Mac, in maybe the most egregious miss of the day, has multiple options to miss and does. Rhamondre running a wheel route out of the back field is wide open 20 yards downfield, Mac throws another Mac molasses ball special that takes forever to get there and underthrows Rham by a lot. This play is doubly bad because he also has Juju running free on a drag route route with a blocker in front of him ten yards away. But it's not Mac...

On the final drive Juju make back to back high degree of difficulty catches because Mac was putting them inches off the ground. Then Mac makes a questionable pass when he clearly doesn't have to on 2nd down and nearing field goal range to a well guarded Juju. There could/should have been a flag as Juju was being tackled well before the ball got there... either way it was an unnecessary risk that didn't need to be taken. The only reason the game was in doubt anyway was all the missed opportunities by Mac Jones earlier in the game, especially on third downs.... but it's not Mac...

In summation, Mac was sacked once because he didn't recognize two defenders overloading his backup tackle on his left side. His rushing game was kicking butt with his RB's average 6.9 yards per carry. His receivers were open all day for the most part, and Mac simply over or under threw them or missed them completely by having tunnel vision. The Pat's defense held the Commander's offense to their third lowest point total of the 2023 season and turned them over twice.

The real problem for the Patriots were the six offensive drives that lasted five plays or less that ended in punts... the highlights don't really showcase those drives.

Mac and the offense were 4-14 on third/fourth down. This against a defense that entering yesterday's games was ranked 29th in points allowed, ranked 29th in passing yards allowed and 32nd, dead last, in passing TD’s allowed. Oh yeah, and who just traded their best pass rushers Montez Sweat and Chase Young earlier in the week…

Again… if you’re defending Mac at this point you’re an idiot.

In summation... Mac sucks.

Stop blaming the O-Line, stop blaming the weapons... it's Mac. Mac sucks royally.

No argument here, I have seen enough. I felt like he deserved a shot with an actual OC after last year’s debacle, but at this point I don’t need to see any more of him. On the positive side Belichick, or someone else, is going to take a QB in the first round, because they are never going to pay Mac for sucking.

 

[Ring 6]

times have changed since 2001. These days Unless you have an all time great qb or defense you need legit talent at the skill positions to go anywhere in this league. On top of that our special teams is the ****s, which was a huge part of why 2001 was possible. So winning with complimentary football isn’t a realistic hope at the moment either for this team. And possibly most important, BB is not the coach or gm he was at that time.

All we really have comparable to pre-week 3 of 2001 is hopefully a strong defense when judon and Gonzalez return. But again, having that in 2023 doesn’t move the needle as much as it did in 2001.

Things aren’t different in terms of winning, just in terms of attention.
Yes teams pass more so players in the passing game a little more relevant and players in the running game a little less but not a major difference.

The offensive roster today is easily better than 2001 except we, again, have a qb holding it back.
Early years Brady didn’t elevate the offense, he just kept it from being held back
Put an average QB on this patriots team and it has a winning record.

 

[Thelonious]

Look familiar?

 

[Pats1971]

Things aren’t different in terms of winning, just in terms of attention.
Yes teams pass more so players in the passing game a little more relevant and players in the running game a little less but not a major difference.

The offensive roster today is easily better than 2001 except we, again, have a qb holding it back.
Early years Brady didn’t elevate the offense, he just kept it from being held back
Put an average QB on this patriots team and it has a winning record.

False. brady instantly elevated the offense, which is why he was left in and Bledsoe was not put back in. It was a complete turn around. If you read Belichicks book he makes a big deal to say that several times that players were better with Brady than without him.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

He's a starting QB in this league. He's starting for a team right now. When he goes to a team with real WR's and O-line and/or continuity at O Coordinator, hell have success. Maybe not Super Bowl winning success but success. He'll be a starter in this league somewhere else when his time is up here.

Yes he is the starting QB for the rest of this year. Since the team currently does not posses any other viable options, he has the job by default.
*IF* the Patriots move on form him, it will be interesting to see if he blossoms somewhere else.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yes he is the starting QB for the rest of this year. Since the team currently does not posses any other viable options, he has the job by default.
*IF* the Patriots move on form him, it will be interesting to see if he blossoms somewhere else.

Who's not holding their breath??

 

[mgteich]

I think Mac is potentially an above average QB in the right environment, surrounded with the right people. But he has been terrible here. He had time in the pocket this week, he had open receivers. He still sucked.

yup
no sacks
open receivers
no excuses

 

[SammyBlueCat]

By the way, I don't hate him and I do not wish for him to be harmed...

 

[mgteich]

and what's killing him the most is he is TRYING to be that difference maker, and it seems very few of his 'weapons' are putting in that same level of effort.....WRs especially

yes, it is truly telling that he is trying, and probably doing the best that he can do

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Things aren’t different in terms of winning, just in terms of attention.
Yes teams pass more so players in the passing game a little more relevant and players in the running game a little less but not a major difference.

The offensive roster today is easily better than 2001 except we, again, have a qb holding it back.
Early years Brady didn’t elevate the offense, he just kept it from being held back
Put an average QB on this patriots team and it has a winning record.

They are different in terms of winning. In 2001 you could probably enter the season with kendrick bourne and hunter henry as your most dynamic weapons in the passing game and hope that great defense plus solid qb play and elite special teams is enough to really compete for something. In 2023 you cannot. Whos the last team to even sniff a sb appearance without a top level talent at wr or te? Probably have to go back to us in 2018 and we had the GOAT qb which isn’t coming to us anytime soon.

As far as a mere winning record, you would still probably need an elite qb just to have this team at a winning record. Average wouldn’t be enough. There are no teams currently with a winning record that are as bad as we are at wr/te. The only ones even close are bal, cle and no but those defenses are ranked 1st, 3rd and 7th in ppg while we are 25th. Its very hard to win today with our current weapons and we dont have the defense or special teams to do it.

 

[Ring 6]

False. brady instantly elevated the offense, which is why he was left in and Bledsoe was not put back in. It was a complete turn around. If you read Belichicks book he makes a big deal to say that several times that players were better with Brady than without him.

It semantics.
Brady elevated vs Bledsoe was holding it back.
I think it’s the latter because it didn’t go from ok to great it went from mediocre to slightly above average

 

[Ring 6]

They are different in terms of winning. In 2001 you could probably enter the season with kendrick bourne and hunter henry as your most dynamic weapons in the passing game and hope that great defense plus solid qb play and elite special teams is enough to really compete for something. In 2023 you cannot. Whos the last team to even sniff a sb appearance without a top level talent at wr or te? Probably have to go back to us in 2018 and we had the GOAT qb which isn’t coming to us anytime soon.

As far as a mere winning record, you would still probably need an elite qb just to have this team at a winning record. Average wouldn’t be enough. There are no teams currently with a winning record that are as bad as we are at wr/te. The only ones even close are bal, cle and no but those defenses are ranked 1st, 3rd and 7th in ppg while we are 25th. Its very hard to win today with our current weapons and we dont have the defense or special teams to do it.

Just not true in either direction.

An average qb would have this team with a wining record.

 

[Ring 6]

I think Mac is potentially an above average QB in the right environment, surrounded with the right people. But he has been terrible here. He had time in the pocket this week, he had open receivers. He still sucked.

He is the reason the people surrounding him are under producing.

 

[everlong]

Mac Jones is one of many issues on this team. The problem is even when it's clearly Mac's fault there's excuse as to why it's someobody else by his defenders. He''s been under pressure all game so his clock was sped up, the receiver should have fought harder for the ball, he has no weapons, etc, ect.

He's going to have a great career as the next Sam Bradford, Andy Dalton.........name your veteran backup who could in a pinch on a good team with lots of weapons, a good line and a good defense keep the team in contention for 4 weeks while the starter gets healthy.