The Official Jets at Patriots Post-Game Thread

[Marqui]

Cunningham did get blown off his edge a couple of times, but he held his own just as often. He's just not a big guy, and when both DT's get blown up, and they're running at Cunningham, he's going to struggle.

Sure but Ninkovich has gotten blown off the ball plenty of times this season too. Jones at times too. Happens to every DE in the league. No DE sets the edge perfectly every single snap. As long as you're stout the majority of the time, you're fine. Cunningham has been fine against the run (not really any worse than Ninkovich at least).

Between Cunningham, Jones, and Ninkovich, someone's getting pressure. Vince was actually solid getting interior pressure at times, but the problem continues to be that when they aren't breaking free, they're not even getting close. The best manage to at least push the pocket even if they're not going to get there. It's feast or famine in the truest sense on that defense.

Especially Ninkovich and Love. They never ever generate pressure. They either get a sack or never get anywhere close to the QB.

Who was credited with that sack? I think I remember Cunningham getting the stat, but I don't think JC even touched him. It looks like Love and Jones got a piece though.

Love got credit for it.

 

[Deus Irae]

And this is different from previous years how?

They went 14-2 and 13-3 in the last 2 years, and still managed to lose to the Buffalo Bills, .500 Jets and Cleveland Browns.

Before that, they had early year losses to Jets and (bad) Broncos in 2009, (bad) Broncos in 2006 and Mangini 1st year Jets, and even in the Super Bowl win years they lost games early in the year to teams like the hapless Bills, Patrick Ramsey's Redskins, horrid Jets, pathetic Bengals, Wanny's lousy Dolphins.

Losing to awful teams in the first half is a regular occurrence under Belichick. And each year he plays vanilla until the last 3rd and 4th of the season.

They've lost to 2 bad teams and a Ravens team that was without Suggs and begging to be beaten. They haven't done that since at least 2002.

 

[Double TE]

As long as they make the playoffs I don't care how they get there. When they were 14-2 and crushing teams they lost to the freaking Jets. I was ready to punch a wall. Last year with this awful secondary they win the SB (IMO) if Gronk is 100%. Their front seven is definitely better this year than last and the 2ndary is just as bad but can improve because I think Wilson and Dennard can get better. Our running attack is definitely deeper and more explosive as well. Just get to the playoffs and see what happens.

 

[upstater1]

Because I'm a sucker for abuse, I watched the game with one of my friends who is a Giants fan yesterday. That was the first he saw of the Pats all season. He was amazed at how Lloyd, who had always made the circus catches, was dropping such easily catchable balls. Two of them were absolute killers.

I've been killing Lloyd this morning too because I thought Brady was on yesterday, but the second one--the long throw downfield--he was interfered with. I think it was Cromartie that drove into Lloyd's back well before the ball got there and ruined Lloyd's timing. You could see Lloyd's upper body get driven forward before the ball arrived.

 

[upstater1]

They've lost to 2 bad teams and a Ravens team that was without Suggs and begging to be beaten. They haven't done that since at least 2002.

The Ravens are a good team.

The two bad teams (really, the Seahawks at Seattle are bad?), as you put it, are at least as good as the Bills and Browns.

Come on!! Don't be disingenuous.

 

[PatsSox363804]

I've been killing Lloyd this morning too because I thought Brady was on yesterday, but the second one--the long throw downfield--he was interfered with. I think it was Cromartie that drove into Lloyd's back well before the ball got there and ruined Lloyd's timing. You could see Lloyd's upper body get driven forward before the ball arrived.

It still hit him in the chest. I agree it should have been a flag and if it was roles reversed and a Patriots DB did that every ref within 50 miles of Foxboro would have reached for their flag but he needs to catch a ball that hits him in the chest.

 

[condon84]

The Ravens are a good team.

The two bad teams (really, the Seahawks at Seattle are bad?), as you put it, are at least as good as the Bills and Browns.

Come on!! Don't be disingenuous.

The Seahawks is not a good team. They're so-called #1 defense got shredded by our offense. It was only bad luck and bad decisions by Brady/coaches part that kept that game from being a blowout.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Ravens are a good team.

The two bad teams (really, the Seahawks at Seattle are bad?), as you put it, are at least as good as the Bills and Browns.

Come on!! Don't be disingenuous.

I wasn't being disingenuous at all. Neither the Seahawks nor the Cardinals is a good team, and Suggs was not playing for the Ravens.

 

[Double TE]

I wasn't being disingenuous at all. Neither the Seahawks nor the Cardinals is a good team, and Suggs was not playing for the Ravens.

Had they executed in the Red Zone they would have won. But I don't care, the regular season is meaningless except to give confidence to players (Kicker) and button down the O and D. Hopefully if the Pats are more or less healthy they can make another in the playoffs. All AFC teams have holes here and there.

 

[upstater1]

The Seahawks is not a good team. They're so-called #1 defense got shredded by our offense. It was only bad luck and bad decisions by Brady/coaches part that kept that game from being a blowout.

I give up with you guys. I mean, losing to the Bills and Browns is now on par with losing to the Seahawks in Seattle.

The point I was making is that each year the Patriots lose games in the first half of the season that they don't lose in the second half.

How people can ignore losses to bad teams in the early part of previous year and then harp on losses to the Cardinals and Seahawks is beyond me.

I listed the bad losses from previous years in my post.

 

[upstater1]

I wasn't being disingenuous at all. Neither the Seahawks nor the Cardinals is a good team, and Suggs was not playing for the Ravens.

But the Browns were a juggernaut!!!!!

 

[Deus Irae]

But the Browns were a juggernaut!!!!!

Why are you referring to completely dissimilar years as if they are identical? In 2010, the Patriots lost two games all season, and one was to an 11-5 Jets team that went to the AFCCG. If there's anyone being disingenuous here, it's you.

 

[PatsSox363804]

I give up with you guys. I mean, losing to the Bills and Browns is now on par with losing to the Seahawks in Seattle.

The point I was making is that each year the Patriots lose games in the first half of the season that they don't lose in the second half.

How people can ignore losses to bad teams in the early part of previous year and then harp on losses to the Cardinals and Seahawks is beyond me.

I listed the bad losses from previous years in my post.

We haven't been 3-3 since 2005. I think it's somewhat jarring to the fanbase at the moment.

 

[condon84]

I give up with you guys. I mean, losing to the Bills and Browns is now on par with losing to the Seahawks in Seattle.

The point I was making is that each year the Patriots lose games in the first half of the season that they don't lose in the second half.

How people can ignore losses to bad teams in the early part of previous year and then harp on losses to the Cardinals and Seahawks is beyond me.

I listed the bad losses from previous years in my post.

Sorry, I didn't see that or your overall point. I was just responding to your post about the Seahawks not being a bad team.

I do agree that the Pats do trend upwards during the course of the season. Not so sure with this team though. I don't necessarily think our current coaches are as capable of coaching up our teams the way our previous coaches did. Speaking specifically on our defense, I just don't see the creativity with our current coaches.

 

[upstater1]

We haven't been 3-3 since 2005. I think it's somewhat jarring to the fanbase at the moment.

We're 4-3. We were 5-3 just last year!! Lost to the Bills.
If we go 5-3 again, we'll be in the same position. Plus, I still say the replacement refs cost the Patriots that Ravens game. It was the worst reffed Pats game I can remember.

 

[upstater1]

Sorry, I didn't see that or your overall point. I was just responding to your post about the Seahawks not being a bad team.

I do agree that the Pats do trend upwards during the course of the season. Not so sure with this team though. I don't necessarily think our current coaches are as capable of coaching up our teams the way our previous coaches did. Speaking specifically on our defense, I just don't see the creativity with our current coaches.

It remains to be seen, but they are the same coaches as last years, and last year's D improved.

I am expecting that this D will improve as well.

 

[condon84]

It remains to be seen, but they are the same coaches as last years, and last year's D improved.

I am expecting that this D will improve as well.

I'm comparing our coaches pre-Patricia. Last year's D to me didn't improve as much as some have suggested. Numbers looked better, but still was a turd all throughout the season, even into the playoffs IMO.

 

[upstater1]

I'm comparing our coaches pre-Patricia. Last year's D to me didn't improve as much as some have suggested. Numbers looked better, but still was a turd all throughout the season, even into the playoffs IMO.

They did well enough against the Giants, well enough to win. I wasn't expecting more. I gave a lot of credit to the Giants. That throw to Manningham and his catch--gotta tip the hat to them.

I gotta believe that Tavon Wilson and Steve Gregory are better than Sergio Brown and James Ihedigbo. I also believe that having Dennard out there with Hightower is better than not having a Dennard and Hightower. These four players are IMPROVEMENTS over those they are replacing. That doesn't necessarily mean the D will come together and play better, but it does mean it should be better.

 

[The Gr8est]

We're 4-3. We were 5-3 just last year!! Lost to the Bills.
If we go 5-3 again, we'll be in the same position. Plus, I still say the replacement refs cost the Patriots that Ravens game. It was the worst reffed Pats game I can remember.

Was anyone else watching the Ravens-Texans game and thinking "this is how the Pats-Ravens game could have turned out with competent refs"?


The Pats looked capable of blowing the Ravens out early, before the refs took over.

 

[condon84]

They did well enough against the Giants, well enough to win. I wasn't expecting more. I gave a lot of credit to the Giants. That throw to Manningham and his catch--gotta tip the hat to them.

I gotta believe that Tavon Wilson and Steve Gregory are better than Sergio Brown and James Ihedigbo. I also believe that having Dennard out there with Hightower is better than not having a Dennard and Hightower. These four players are IMPROVEMENTS over those they are replacing. That doesn't necessarily mean the D will come together and play better, but it does mean it should be better.

Talent IMO is there to at least be average. I tend to blame our secondary woes on our coaches. Which again is the reason why I'm not as optimistic as you. We have the same coaches, coaching the same technique, implementing the same unimaginative cover and blitz schemes.