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And if you look at the offensive numbers and scoring output, you'll clearly see that this current offense is indeed more efficient than the SB winning ones.
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Defense and timely offense win championships. The 01-03-04 offenses didn't have the talent or regular season production the current teams have had, but they made the plays when it counted most. I remember Belichick going for it on 4th down at about our own 45 yard line on an opening drive in the Peyton Manning 4 INT snow game, because he was that confident we would get the job done, and if we didn't, would make a stop on defense.
This team will be a SB contender as long as Belichick and Brady are on the team, but in 01-04, especially 03 and 04, we're forgetting, we had the best team in the league by far. I don't know about you guys, but I watched those games just knowing that we were going to win because no one was even on our level. And that was due to the dominating, physical defense and a more timely offense.
Welker to me represents what's wrong with the current team...puts up a bunch of regular season numbers and makes drops when it matters the most. Overpaying him would be a tragedy.
The Ravens beat us the same way we used to beat the Colts. The Ravens offense wasn't anything amazing, they just didn't turn the ball over and capitalized on their opportunities. That's the formula for a championship more often than not.
A lot of people were upset at the "we physical, they finesse" comments by the Ravens players before the game, but that's the same thing we used to say about the Colts.
I do not understand this statement. totally . In all of our losses wes welker has given us 100 yds plus. The failure is the team is not executing. your solution is to remove people who perform under playoff pressure and get clocked and play through injury to fix other guys who do not perform . By getting rid of wes production you feel , the running game will be improved , the 2nd TE will light it up and lloyd who will be covered by the #1CB of the other team will light the score board as wes has left the team.
Where the heck for hernandaz,ridley/vereen,llyod, hoo-man against the ravens? or the gaints ? ...Your pla to fix them all is remove wes welker production from the team!
I want Welker back just not for $10 million a season
We had a downfield threat in the 2007 SB. He had one of the most dominant years ever for any kind of outside threat in the history of the game, and set records doing so.
And if you look at the offensive numbers and scoring output, you'll clearly see that this current offense is indeed, more efficient than the SB winning ones.
Maybe you need a memory refresher during those SB years?
2001
Won 16-13 vs OAK in the divisional round
Won 24-17 vs PIT in the AFCCG (defense scored a ST TD, so offense scores 17)
Won 20-17 vs STL in the SB (defense scored a TD, so offense scored 13)
2003
Won 17-14 vs TEN in the divisional round
Won 24-14 vs IND in the AFCCG
2004
Won 20-3 vs IND in the divisional round
Won 24-21 vs PHI in the SB
There are SEVEN games in that era where the defense gave up an average of 14 points a game, and won ALL 7 of them.
In comparison, the offense scored an average of 18.7 points in those 7 games, all which were wins.
When you look at 7 key wins during that 3 yr stretch of the dynasty, and see that we won on average by a score of 18.7 to 14, I fail to see what you are getting at?
Why ?. No one is able to answer this question. unless we hit a point where we cannot afford this guy i want to really see a cap space of zero or close to zero.
we have 20 million, which means you can sign him for a 3 yr/27 million with a signing bonus of 12 million . prorated his cap number will be 3-5 million depending on how you word the contract.
Are you worried that kraft running the 3rd most expensive franchise worth billions cannot afford it.i pay to goto the game and spend 50$ for parking. i will hate for the team to tell me they cannot afford the player as they do not have money while making billions.
Now I don't want this to be construed as me arguing coolguy's point because it's not, but to be fair those 7 key wins also happen to be the 7 lowest scoring games from that 9 game period. If I take the 7 lowest scoring games from the most recent 9 games I get an average of 17.6 points. I understand the the recent teams have been handcuffed by the number of possessions and the older teams got helped out by the defense, but in the end if you can score more points with a team built the way those old teams were what's the point of a highpowered offense?
Answer: Because you cannot have the right tackle that can save Bradys ass: Vollmer and cannot sign Talib or an equivalent you lose one of those two probably both for a guy that isn't getting you over the top.
Why ?. No one is able to answer this question. unless we hit a point where we cannot afford this guy i want to really see a cap space of zero or close to zero.
we have 20 million, which means you can sign him for a 3 yr/27 million with a signing bonus of 12 million . prorated his cap number will be 3-5 million depending on how you word the contract.
Are you worried that kraft running the 3rd most expensive franchise worth billions cannot afford it.i pay to goto the game and spend 50$ for parking. i will hate for the team to tell me they cannot afford the player as they do not have money while making billions.
How in the world is Welker's performance streaky? Look up consistency in the dictionary and you'll see his picture.
First - I want Welker back. Great smart player who has been freakishly durable. I think Welker is a good guy and a role model and that teams should consider these factors when decididing how far to take a risk on large contracts. I doubt Welker would sign for 3 yr 27 million, but your proposal is pretty close to my armchair analysis of the upper end where I would go to.
The reason why I think the Patriots should be careful on how much they spend becuase it part of the "Patriot Way. " Set a value for a position and player and they keep contracts in that range. Like you I want to seem the team spend to the cap. I think they have been OK at this. They are not as generous as they hold themselves out to be, but not as cheap as often portrayed. I want to see Welker back and I hope he and his people see that his ability to make money off the field here is enough reason to offset the top dollar offer he will get on the street as I am sure some team will be willing to pay more than the Pats.
The reason why I think the Patriots should be careful on how much they spend becuase it part of the "Patriot Way. " Set a value for a position and player and they keep contracts in that range.